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We made some big changes to the forecast here over the past couple of shifts, and we'd like to offer a further explaination as to what we're anticipating now and why we think differently from many other sources.

First of all, please keep in mind some ground rules already established in one of our other entries.

A couple of other things worth mentioning before we dive into the forecast. Our snowfall forecast takes us into tomorrow evening. We do expect some additional snowfall after that, but we didn't include that in this forecast due to low confidence in what will happen tomorrow night. Keep that in mind. Alright, onto the forecast...

Tonight:
Doppler radar showing precipitation overspread the region now. For a few hours, this wasn't reaching the ground, but we are now getting reports that this precipitation reaching the ground. Heavy snow will start to crank in between midnight and 7AM. This is what the 12z NAM is showing for 7AM tomorrow. The key to that graphic is where the 540mb line is (the blue dashed line). As long as that line stays south of Utica, we stay snow. That's not gonna happen though.

Tomorrow

Up until 12z, we stay snow, but then a strong push of mild air makes it into the region. The 18z sounding from the NAM clearly show's a warm air intrusion. There's no doubt that if this verifies we change over to sleet. So why is this happening? Warm air is being wrapped around from the parent inland low. There's also a component of warm tropical air mixing in to this system as well. By the morning, we all change over to sleet. By the late morning, sleet will be the predominate precipitation type everywhere, even in the Adirondacks. Check out the 18z surface map . The 540 line is in NORTHERN NEW YORK. It's hard to keep plugging snow when you see something like that.

We get another shot of snow on the backside of this one. At this point in time, we aren't sure how this is going to play out because of model disagreements. The deformation zone could setup anywhere between here and Buffalo. That's quiet a range of variablility, and it's entirely possible we can pick up several inches of snow on the back end of this. For now, we'll focus on what we do know.

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Matt(Marcy):

Is there going to be an updated snowfall map either at 11pm or 6am??

Posted December 15th at 9:57 PM
Matt Lanza:

From the last entry:

Folks: Keep the discussion focused on JUST the forecast, the current conditions, snow totals and questions relating to the storm. If you bring a political discussion in here, we will ban your IP* address. We cannot be in here policing 24/7, so we need you to police yourselves.

Also, please do not post anonymously. Sign with your first name and your town please. If you post these things, it will make it much easier for us to respond to you, and also it will keep the conversation focused.

We really need you to do this, because we are taxed at the moment. This is a very challenging storm. Myself, Bill and Jill are all here at the moment.

Matt: Bill, Jill and I are all in basic agreement on the current map. We will peruse the new model data and make a decision, but we will likely be keeping this map.

Posted December 15th at 9:59 PM
Matt Lanza:

Also, to everyone who is annoyed with our forecast... the NWS downgraded the Winter Storm Warning in Delaware County and points south and west to an advisory and has also knocked back total snow accumulation in CNY. We've been seeing this since yesterday and we made the decision to start "low" and end lower....rather than many other forecasts that began very high and now have to backtrack. When we preach being cautious in snow forecasts, we mean it for a reason.

Posted December 15th at 10:03 PM
Matt(Marcy):

AWWWW man only 3-6!!!!!!!; COME ON be generous PLEASE and is there any chance of lake-enhancement from this also currently very fine light snow

Posted December 15th at 10:05 PM
jim:

so, 5 year anniversary christmas storm anyone?

Posted December 15th at 10:10 PM
Matt(Marcy):

Matt, is there any loophole that we might get in this storm to just stay cold enough for all snow??!!=|

Posted December 15th at 10:10 PM
Dave(Kayuta Lake):

Matt in your post 3 is why WKTV is the (IMO) best weather team in CNY. You havent overhyped this storm to disapoint everyone, you gave us the info you knew at the time and that is all you can do. And I thank you for that. Now lets sit back and see what happens!

Posted December 15th at 10:11 PM
Ryan (Syracuse):

Matt,

I just looked at the buoy data off of the carolina coast. It shows quite a pressure drop over the last four to five hours. Could this be the beginning of the secondary low forming

Posted December 15th at 10:12 PM
Rob(whitesboro):

Interesting forecast and I love the suspense!Keeping an eye on the primary low as it struggles through the cold airmass.

Posted December 15th at 10:15 PM
Marj (Remsen:

I was just wondering if anybody knows why the doppler radar isn't working it says DEC 10.

Posted December 15th at 10:16 PM
Mike S (Port Leyden):

Use the one on the main site.

Posted December 15th at 10:17 PM
Matt(Marcy):

you have to go to the home page and pick the thumbnails on the left

Posted December 15th at 10:18 PM
Kate in Utica:

I just wanted to commend you guys for doing a great job. I know a lot of us would love to see a big snowfall. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like it's going to happen with this storm. Good for you for sticking to your guns and forecasting what you feel is right. Don't shoot the messengers everybody!! Keep up the good work WKTV!

Posted December 15th at 10:19 PM
Marj (Remsen ):

Tried it a still nothing happened on it. Even hit the refresh button.

Posted December 15th at 10:19 PM
mike m ( binghamton):

any snow up there yet...light snow showers here, the good stuff is coming up through central PA now.

Posted December 15th at 10:20 PM
Mike S (Port Leyden):

At WKTV.com?

If it's still broke, refresh your cache, although it's dynamically generated through a script.

Posted December 15th at 10:20 PM
Billy Jean:

I don't want sleet! I want snow! Make it snow WKTV!!!

Posted December 15th at 10:21 PM
Matt(Marcy):

so when these 2!!!!!; lows move up here right in the middle should get the dry slot and due to 2 lows you would think there'd be more moisture plus both lows will move from there current track a couple hundred miles

Posted December 15th at 10:21 PM
Matt(Marcy):

THAT IS a couple hundred miles EAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted December 15th at 10:23 PM
Paul (Utica):

I'm glad to see you are all working away on this one. It does keep changing and I'm sure you guys won't be getting much sleep in the next 36 hours or so as it develops over us. I know there is some uncertainty about quantity of precipitation on the backside of the storm, but do you have an estimate of when the precip (in whatever form) will be ending? Late Sunday? Early Monday? I know there were earlier thoughts of post-storm lake effect, that were then looking less likely, but an approximate idea of when this system should move out would be appreciated.
By the way, I had made a suggestion a couple of days ago about making snowfall prediction maps easier to find on the website, and for this storm everything is right there! Thanks for making it easy on us!

Posted December 15th at 10:24 PM
Jeff (Southern Hills):

Last post for the night, I gotta get up at 7 then work from 11-11. First I think we need a moderator (but that is above my pay scale). Even if its just a few posters it gets rather annoying.

Second on the weather, snow is falling here in Chenango county. Secondly there has been some definate pressure drops off the coast, not sure what we would really need to start the Low out there but its worth noting. I still think that a snow of 5-10 with icing is pretty major this early in the season.

Great job guys and see ya in the morning!!!

Posted December 15th at 10:26 PM
Matt Lanza:

Matt: Nope, with the two lows, we would be trapped between them and in a dry slot. I think our forecast confidence right now is average to slightly above average. Very high confidence now in a dry slot (lull in the sleet) tomorrow afternoon.

Ryan: I looked at pressure falls and the current surface pressures and I see nothing at the moment to get me excited. We'll keep watching though.

Posted December 15th at 10:26 PM
mike m ( binghamton):

matt, can you explain why snowflakes are different sizes, i looked out side and i thought it was sleeting out the snowflakes were so small..is the snow going to be very grainy with this storm.

Posted December 15th at 10:29 PM
Matt Lanza:

Paul: It looks like the snow will wind down late Sunday night and gradually taper off to scattered snow showers for Monday, eventually ending entirely by Monday evening. So there will be some breaks of sun on Monday and periods where it isn't snowing. Best chance is early in the day, with decreasing chances from morning onward. And you're welcome about making the site easier. We really want to continue cleaning things up. We'll do what we can!

Posted December 15th at 10:30 PM
Matt(Marcy):

Matt no offense but you've been the bad news carrier

Posted December 15th at 10:30 PM
K. (Clinton):

OK, I'm sorta confused here! are we still gonna 3 - 6" possible along side, sleet?

Posted December 15th at 10:31 PM
Paul (Utica):

Matt: Thank you.

Posted December 15th at 10:32 PM
Matt Lanza:

Mike M: This link should help you.

Posted December 15th at 10:32 PM
Matt(Marcy):

yea I'm with Mike but I want to know if the snow will be wet and heavy to use with a snowblower

Posted December 15th at 10:33 PM
Bob Jones:

Billy Jean,

Yeah just an fyi, the meteorologists don't create the weather. Anyone with an education beyond 1st grade would know that.

Posted December 15th at 10:35 PM
mike m ( binghamton):

matt, thanks, so this means the atmosphere is well below freezing at all level currently>?

Posted December 15th at 10:38 PM
Mike(Leonardsville):

Is it me or has the new GFS 00Z just changed a lot?

Posted December 15th at 10:38 PM
Matt(Marcy):

EVERYONE PLEASE SEE BLOG ENTRY #253 OF THE PREVIOUS BLOG PLEASE WE REALLY DON'T NEED ANY MORE ATTITUDE IN THIS ENTRY

Posted December 15th at 10:42 PM
Matt(Marcy):

Just a quick question, what is the highest number of entries we've had in a blog??????

Posted December 15th at 10:45 PM
Mike S (Port Leyden):

I believe 324 on the Christmas '06 entry. We probably would have been in the thousands had we been able to access the blog most the time.

Posted December 15th at 10:47 PM
Rob(whitesboro):

Looks to me the GFS is slightly colder...but the dry slot still rules.

Posted December 15th at 10:50 PM
mike m ( binghamton):

period of heavy snow down here, quite windy. the new gfs keeps coastal alittle stroger and a tad further east, but it also still keeps primary into ohio and as rob said dry slot is still there, also it does not bring deformation zone as far south....

Posted December 15th at 10:53 PM
Matt(Marcy):

WOW

Posted December 15th at 10:53 PM
Dave(Kayuta Lake):

Talking to some fellow HAM's from out towards Ohio way saying its snowing pretty good.

Posted December 15th at 10:53 PM
Matt Lanza:

Mike M: You bet...it's cold too. It's that mid-level warm air later in the storm that's going to kill us.

Mike in Lville: 00Z GFS is nice on the back end...Bill will have a map at 11 for it.

Posted December 15th at 10:54 PM
BJ (Litchfield):

Hi All,Does anyone have any idea how it will be at like 6ish in the morning?...My sis has to work so i was wonderin if u think it will be ok for her to get to work?...thanks in advance

Posted December 15th at 10:55 PM
Jones:

The colder solution of the latest GFS certainly doesn't surprise me. A stronger coastal low accomplishes this quite easily and given the strength of the baroclinic zone (temperatures in the 40s all the way to the NC/SC coast with water temperatures near 80) and the tremendous amount of diabatic heating associated with the convective precipitation in the Southeast. The previous run of the GFS was also trending colder. Obviously, the next step is to verify that the pressure falls are happening in the Southeast, if we see ~1005 mb somewhere in the Carolinas by 6z, I think confidence will be high enough to follow the GFS.

Posted December 15th at 10:59 PM
Rob(whitesboro):

Matt when you get a chance,whats the latest data on the winds during the back edge.

Posted December 15th at 10:59 PM
Matt(Marcy):

WOW the snow has really picked up I can't even see all the way down my street and that by the way is only about 2 or 3 football fields long

Posted December 15th at 11:00 PM
Jones:

Correction: That should be air temperature near 80, the waters are probably a bit cooler.

Posted December 15th at 11:01 PM
Mike S (Port Leyden):

WSYR tower cam has Syracuse with mod. snow.

Posted December 15th at 11:01 PM
James (Sauquoit):

17 degrees and Moderate snow now falling in Sauquoit

Posted December 15th at 11:07 PM
Rob(whitesboro):

I like this front end too...models showing 6-8".Have to keep an eye on the meso.

Posted December 15th at 11:11 PM
Cindy (Ilion):

Just came in from outside and it is snowing pretty good, but it is kind of like there is sleet mixed in already, it is very grainy. I'll keep on watching!!!!

Posted December 15th at 11:14 PM
Herkimer Viewer:

Light snow in the village of Herkimer @11:20pm

Posted December 15th at 11:20 PM
Karen ~ Westmoreland:

Windy with light snow here in Westmoreland...Also a big thank you to the WKTV weather team for keeping us updated.

Posted December 15th at 11:23 PM
mike m ( binghamton):

IP here....errrrrr......

Posted December 15th at 11:23 PM
Jim in North Utica near Schuyle Line:

Snowing heavy and sideways here now for about half an hour or so.

Posted December 15th at 11:26 PM
mike m ( binghamton):

actually snow mixed with sleet here..matt any chance we go back to snow here or is that it?

Posted December 15th at 11:27 PM
Matt (HP):

So who's sleeping over?

Posted December 15th at 11:29 PM
Rach (NY Mills):

Snowing moderate here...blowing a little too.

Posted December 15th at 11:34 PM
Pam:

Just a dusting so far here in Millers Mills @ 10* as of 11:35 PM

Posted December 15th at 11:34 PM
Matt Lanza:

Near white out up here on Smith Hill. Wow, Mike..that's even earlier than anyone thought.

Take note of Mike's ob...we've also been reading some posts from Binghamton meteorologists in the NWS chat room. Precip has already changed to sleet and freezing rain in the BGM area. This could make for an interesting night now.

Posted December 15th at 11:40 PM
mike m( binghamton):

so no chance it goes back to snow?

Posted December 15th at 11:42 PM
Matt Lanza:

Mike...probably not. This is not a good trend. Keep us posted as long as you're up please.

Posted December 15th at 11:43 PM
jim:

stitville 11:45 bout half an inch right now

Posted December 15th at 11:48 PM
vinny(utica):

what does that mean for us?we could be all sleet as well cutting snowfall totals even more/

Posted December 15th at 11:52 PM
Jones:

Significant pressure falls in eastern NC/VA off the RUC analysis. Strong easterly winds are being reported along the NJ/DE coasts with gusts to near 30 kts.

Posted December 15th at 11:52 PM
Anthony:

VERY HEAVY SNOW here on top of the hill in Marcy.....came back from a holiday party in Utica and I could not see on route 12 at all!!!!

Posted December 16th at 12:02 AM
Rob(whitesboro):

I agree on that.Primary low although on track seems to be not as intense.

Posted December 16th at 12:02 AM
Rob(whitesboro):

When you really look at everything going on,there should be no way the (primary) storm could hold out.It's moving into much colder air as opposed to the coastal where there is just loads of dynamics and warm air to feed off of.Science would tell me that the coastal should just explode rapidly and take controll.

Posted December 16th at 12:11 AM
mike m ( binghamton):

sleet mixed with a graupel/snow continues here.

Posted December 16th at 12:14 AM
Mike(Leonardsville):

So it's entirly possible that the models were a dud completely on this storm and did not predict the cold air. So with the secondary low forming, is it more likely we stay snow or do we still have a lot of sleet?

Posted December 16th at 12:22 AM
Anthony:

Rob, ....those were the points I was trying to make last night.......If you look at the winter storm radar on TWC website it almost appears as though the cold air is deepening down the spine of the applachains....thoughts??

Posted December 16th at 12:24 AM
Jones:

Hopefully, this will address this issue Mike M is having in BGM. I produced a few plots of 750 mb temperature (as a first guess of where the warmest air is) and at the 6-hr forecast (1 am tonight), the GFS has the zero degree line extending just to the north the border between PA and NY. It is almost due west to east. At the 12-hr forecast (7 am this morning), this line actually moves southward east of BGM, but northward west of BGM, so it becomes oriented WNW to ESE. It's unfortunate that I don't have a way to show these images, but if the model is correct it would imply that the sleet/snow line may not move much further north initially, especially east of BGM as well as most of central NY.

Posted December 16th at 12:25 AM
Matt Lanza:

Mike... we will change over to sleet...period. I'll put it to you this way...if it doesn't happen, I'd be surprised...very surprised. According to radar, I think the sleet line may already be approaching Norwich. No reports to back that up though.

Posted December 16th at 12:25 AM
mike m ( binghamton):

sleet is trying to go over to snow, visibilites are lowing..it is a wierd type of precip...i think partially melted than refrozen snowflakes?? as the heavier precip moves back in we may turn to snow??? 17.4 degrees here currently.matt, is the secondary low looking stronger than models were saying?

Posted December 16th at 12:25 AM
sno-x (westmo):

urgent!!!!MATTT I HEAR SLEET BLOWING AGINST THE WINDOW IN WESTMORELAND!!!!! COULD IT BE

Posted December 16th at 12:27 AM
Matt Lanza:

Snox... make sure you've got it constantly for more than a minute.

Posted December 16th at 12:28 AM
Rob(whitesboro):

No sleet here....1/2 mile visability.

Posted December 16th at 12:30 AM
sno-x (westmo):

MATT HEAVY TO MODERAT SNOW SLEET MIXING IN JUST WENT OUT AND CHECKED

Posted December 16th at 12:31 AM
Bestsi~West Leyden:

In West Leyden,the snows coming down heavy like sleet/mix, Winds are comeing out of the East howling right now complete WHITE OUT CONDITIONS!, Temps are at 12* degrees,,Anyone out there that DO NOT HAVE TO BE DONT! Take advice and stay where ur at ,,we got a couple of inches already , I heard diffrent ammounts ,is it 3-9 inches? or in the 15~25 inch range for us up here,,,,to many weather reports,so many totals?

Posted December 16th at 12:31 AM
Mike(Leonardsville):

It is a very heavy snow down this way. No sleet yet but I can see where there could be some in Chenango county already.

Posted December 16th at 12:33 AM
sno-x (westmo):

IT WAS BOUNCING OFF THE HOOD OF MY TRUCK UNLESS THE WIND IS JUST BLOWING THAT HARD BUT IM PRETTY SURE THERES SOME SLEET IN THERE

Posted December 16th at 12:33 AM
Matt Lanza:

Guys, make sure you aren't confusing sleet with the very fine, even grainy snowflakes that are falling. Sleet more than likely has not made it north of Norwich yet.

Posted December 16th at 12:34 AM
Rob(whitesboro):

I can't see anyone besides Mike getting sleet right now.I think radar is showing a meso snow band coming in...that's my opinion...to early for that I would hope.

Posted December 16th at 12:35 AM
sno-x (westmo):

MAYBE IT IS MATT IM NOT SURE CUZ THE FLAKES ARNT TO GRAINY HERE THERE MED SIZE AND SMALL SLEET LIKE OBJECTS HAHAHAHA

Posted December 16th at 12:37 AM
Pat:

Just got home (Sauquoit). Roads already slick. Snow coming down sideways. Sounds like sleet too, or grainy snow hitting the metal roof on my porch.

Posted December 16th at 12:37 AM
Anthony:

Matt,

It is definately fine powder NOT SLEET, I was out in it a little while ago. Snowflakes are definately growing in size the last half hour, with near whiteout conditions.

Posted December 16th at 12:39 AM
Mike(Leonardsville):

I hear no noise down this way so it's all snow here south of the valley. Now if that's snow coming from Norwich those snowfall amounts down this way need to be upped.

Posted December 16th at 12:39 AM
mike m ( binghamton):

if visibility starts to rise then you know sleet is mixing in...in a slight precip lull here right now, cant really tell if it is sleet or grainy snow or a mix of both. no big snowflakes though. matt, how is secondary low doing?

Posted December 16th at 12:40 AM
vinny(utica):

snowing very hard here in utica.winds are brutal to.accumilating pretty fast too.

Posted December 16th at 12:42 AM
Jones:

I was just outside in Albany and the snow is very grainy and "loud", almost like sleet. 12F here and moderate snow.

Posted December 16th at 12:43 AM
Matt Lanza:

Hey guys...time to showcase our new toys. This is the 3D radar product we have now, called X-Vision. I snapped this 5 minutes ago. Notice, you're looking from the ground up at the storm. See the orange showing up? It's east of Cortland through Chenango County....that's sleet. Now, if you go 20 miles south of there, we lose that, so I suspect that's why Mike has gone back to snow.

Posted December 16th at 12:43 AM
Anthony:

Mike M....looking at radar you probably are in a very short lull...

Posted December 16th at 12:43 AM
Anthony:

Looks like deepening cold air.

Posted December 16th at 12:45 AM
Rob(whitesboro):

State College reporting snow as of 12:20.

Posted December 16th at 12:46 AM
sno-x (westmo):

SCREW THE STORM THOSE NEW TOYS ARE THE SH--.MATT

Posted December 16th at 12:46 AM
vinny(utica):

matt,that was pretty awesome.love the new graphics!

Posted December 16th at 12:47 AM
mike m ( binghamton):

anthony, yea it will get heavy again shortly the question is what will it be..i hope snow. matt, that radar is sweet...so the orange just indicates heavier radar returns right, and the blue means snow?

Posted December 16th at 12:48 AM
mike m ( binghamton):

Rob, not sure if it is really snowingat state college, they have the tendacy to report snow when it is sleet...look at the radar they have heavy precip over them and yet visibilites are 2.5 miles.. at best that indicates snow/sleet mix.

Posted December 16th at 12:50 AM
DRF1970 (utica):

Snowing in the city of Utica!!!

Posted December 16th at 12:51 AM
Matt Lanza:

Mike M: Bingo. State College is notoriously shady when it comes to wintry precip obs. Take it with a grain of salt.

Posted December 16th at 12:51 AM
Jones:

Everyone loves the new graphic, yet how many people actually know what it's showing? I can't figure it out. Is it just a cross-section of the radar? And how does it differentiate between sleet and heavy rain?

Posted December 16th at 12:54 AM
mike m ( binghamton):

matt, agreed. any do you now suspect i could go back over to snow and heavy snow (big flakes??)at that...it is still a very grainy snow/sleet thing out there.

Posted December 16th at 12:54 AM
Matt Lanza:

Mike...you could periodically go back and forth I think with the trend toward more sleet than snow.

Posted December 16th at 12:55 AM
mike m ( binghamton):

jones, what i dont understand about the graphic is how it shows green all the way to utica but blue down by binghamton. does blue mean snow?

Posted December 16th at 12:57 AM
Mat Lanza:

Jones: Basically what you see in the graphic I posted above...the orange and red indicate higher reflectivity....meaning the radar is seeing "heavier" precipitation. In a summer event, this means heavy rain. But in winter, it means that the radar is seeing "bigger' precipitation...so rather than snowflakes, it's seeing the ice pellets (sleet) that send back a greater reflectivity to the radar than would a snowflake.

Posted December 16th at 12:57 AM
Matt Lanza:

Mike M & Others...it's a generic color table..so it's not differentiating snow from rain or sleet. It's just the raw radar data.

Posted December 16th at 12:58 AM
mike m ( binghamton):

o ok so blue was just lighter precip..gothca.

Posted December 16th at 1:03 AM
humphr:

Matt - Given that it is a "snapshot" that you have posted in that link, I assume the full product shows some sort of legend or at least has some sort of explanation on the screen when you show it to your viewers? Otherwise, the presentation style is more than a little counter-intuitive. I believe the confusion among those of us who are accustomed to viewing radar images on a daily basis (and even those who don't) is that when we see an image like that, we associate green with rain, blue with snow, and orange/salmon with mixed precip. (I think it's even used as a test for color blindness when you grow up in Upstate NY! Hehehe, j/k.) So, no offense, but, to assume that one would automatically know that blue = light and green = moderate precipitation of identical water phase is, to say the least, folly. Hence, the need for a legend of some sort.

Posted December 16th at 1:11 AM
Cindy (Ilion):

Well the snow has lightened up a little here, I can atleast see across the street now. The wind really seems like it has picked up though. MATT I almost feel guilty to say I'm off to bed as I know you won't be seeing much sleep tonight. Keep up the great work!!!

Posted December 16th at 1:13 AM
Mike(Leonardsville):

No sleet yet and it looks like it's closing in on 3 inches of fresh snow outside.

Posted December 16th at 1:18 AM
Jones:

Update on the coastal low: The latest observation at Norfolk, VA on the coast had the sea-level pressure down to 1004.6 mb, a drop of almost 9 mb in the last 3 hours.

Posted December 16th at 1:18 AM
mike m ( binghamton):

so is there a better chance of snow tomrrow in the wrap around? still sleet here. almost a half inch of sleet!!

Posted December 16th at 1:25 AM
Sreve (East side of Kyser Lake--oppenheim):

It is snowing here fast and furious. Has been since it started about midnight. At this time about 3 inches of a light powdery 1/2 inch sized average snow has fallen with absolutely no indication of sleet. My driveway is 1000 ft long and visibility is about 1 to 200 ft with a very light breeze coming out of the east. It is quite cold though and the old wall thermometer says 22 degrees. Hope this helps anyone who is curious.

Posted December 16th at 1:31 AM
Rob(whitesboro):

All snow here...2"

Posted December 16th at 1:37 AM
mike m ( binghamton):

matt, what are your latest thoughts?

Posted December 16th at 1:39 AM
mike m ( binghamton):

o yea!! srry im just very excited..big snow flakes coming down now, visibility dropping rapidly!!! ill keep you posted!!

Posted December 16th at 1:41 AM
mike m ( binghamton):

im hoping that the precip falling through upper atmosphere has evap cooled that warm layer to just below freezing...hopefully that secondary low can get going and well stya snow!!

Posted December 16th at 1:45 AM
Justin (Whitesboro):

i have about a foot of snow on parts of my deck. the wind is doing some crazy stuff here.

Posted December 16th at 1:45 AM
Rob(whitesboro):

Heavy snow or sleet ready to make a move into the area.If this is snow were talking 2"/hr rates.

Posted December 16th at 1:52 AM
Becky (West Leyden):

winds are blowing the snow around alot. When i went outdoors, visibility was less than 25 feet. We have about 3 inches so far. I have not seen any sleet up here yet.

Posted December 16th at 1:54 AM
Mike(Leonardsville):

i'll let you know, it's coming through my area.

Posted December 16th at 1:54 AM
mike m ( binghamton):

Rob, i think cold air aloft is making a stand, it very well may be heavy snow moving into utica soon, still snow here. as far as i can tell no sleet at all right now.

Posted December 16th at 1:54 AM
Mike(Leonardsville):

All snow and in big flakes. So that is heavy snow heading north.

Posted December 16th at 1:55 AM
Michael- (Dolgeville):

12 degrees with moderate snow falling. 3.5" inches since about 11:00 p.m. snowfall rates have averaged about an inch per hour so far.

Posted December 16th at 1:58 AM
mike m ( binghamton):

binghamton and elmira went back over to snow. matt, you still up...any thoughts on current situation?

Posted December 16th at 2:07 AM
mike m ( binghamton):

visibilty down to 3/4 of a mile..it is certainly a wind driven snow.

Posted December 16th at 2:12 AM
bob:

the weather channel just mentioned utica and syracuse as big snowmakers.I know rules but its nice when they mention you on live air.

Posted December 16th at 2:13 AM
Rob(whitesboro):

Visability is poor for sure.Good to hear that your still all snow Mike.Very good sign.

Posted December 16th at 2:15 AM
vinny(utica):

i think matt went night night.cant blame him going to be a long day tomorrow.still snowing pretty hard in utica,with heavier precip coming.

Posted December 16th at 2:17 AM
Michael- (Dolgeville):

Closing in on 4.0 inches here. Wind is also blowing pretty good and visibility is low. Snow falling heavilly here. Sending report to NWS now.

Posted December 16th at 2:24 AM
mike m( binghamton):

yea i think so..too, i hope i can stay snow until morning. some interesting things happening on radar, the storms seem to be acting as almost seperate storms, the precip that is over us is now begining to be pivited by the developing coastal low, while the other low over kentuckey is spreading some banded snow from chicago into michigan...im starting to doubt we get into dry slot, i think coastal is going to take over and pivot the precip over us, then the precip out west will simply merge with our area of precip..i could be wrong but thats what it looks like.

Posted December 16th at 2:26 AM
vinny(utica):

mike do you think there is a chance we stay pretty much all snow?all though it sounds like pellets hitting my windows but that has to be fine snow.i have a feeling we might get more snow than expected.whats your thoughts?

Posted December 16th at 2:43 AM
Matt Lanza:

5.0" here in Deerfield since 10:30 PM. Winds howling to 30 mph or higher at times. Jill and I just went out to measure...it's absolutely incredible out there.

Posted December 16th at 2:44 AM
Matt Lanza:

Mike M: Regarding your situation, it looks like downsloping wind off the Catskills is getting you guys. But if you're still snow, that's good.

This is why I'm probably not going to bed tonight.

Posted December 16th at 2:46 AM
Rob(whitesboro):

Had a breif period of sleet about 15 mins ago but its all heavy snow now.So far 3" has fallen here.

Posted December 16th at 2:49 AM
Tom:

Same thing up in Remsen. Just looked outside about 20 minutes ago and we had over 6.0" on top of what was already there. Hopefully it wont stop for some time!

Posted December 16th at 2:51 AM
Matt (HP):

Matt, I cant get a good estimate of snow because of the winds and im in the trees but I know they are talking about how bad the roads are on the scanners. They requested Onieda County Control Call the DPW's because no one is plowing.

Posted December 16th at 2:52 AM
mike m ( binghamton):

"Regarding your situation, it looks like downsloping wind off the Catskills is getting you guys. But if you're still snow, that's good."
do you mean that is keeping preci lighter?

Posted December 16th at 2:54 AM
mike m ( binghamton):

i keep getting confused thinking it is going back to sleet bc the wind is so fast it is blowing the sleet off the ground onto the window..still light snow here..looks like some heavier precip building back in.

Posted December 16th at 2:56 AM
Matt Lanza:

Matt: The wind is absolutely lethal out there. I went out over 10 minutes ago and I still feel it in my bones right now. I imagine the roads are a disaster right now, even with plowing. Anyone who is up, please keep us posted on totals and whether or not you go to sleet. This is vital to us right now.

Posted December 16th at 2:56 AM
Matt Lanza:

Mike: Yeah... Winds are ESE right now, so it's blowing air from the Catskills, thrusting it downward and drying it out. THere's a nice precip shadow right now on radar across Delaware and Broome Counties.

Posted December 16th at 2:57 AM
holly (the NPT):

3-6 inches huh? Blizzard conditions outside right now, easily have over 6 inches already, anyone on the roads is on a death wish and you heard it first from holly

Posted December 16th at 2:58 AM
holly:

oh and no sleet as of yet here in the NPT Matt

Posted December 16th at 3:00 AM
Matt Lanza:

Holly...I'm not aware of what the NPT stands for? Newport?

Posted December 16th at 3:02 AM
vinny(utica):

matt it sounds like sleet here but that probably is not the case right?could it be the wind with that makes the snow seem like sleet?

Posted December 16th at 3:02 AM
mike m ( binghamton):

matt, precip extends all across PA, looks like another .75-1.25 of qpf before and IF this band of precips moves out dry slotting us...would you agree. were back to a mix of sleet and snow..could be bc precip is lighter??

Posted December 16th at 3:02 AM
Rob(whitesboro):

6Z fills in the dry slot nicely.Does indicate some mixing.

Posted December 16th at 3:04 AM
Matt (HP):

No sleet as of yet, did look out from the front porch. Atleast 3 inches so far and thats probably a unrealistic lowball estimate. What do the winds have to be for blizzard status?

Posted December 16th at 3:05 AM
Rob(whitesboro):

Also starting to show a heavier deformation zone similiar to the GFS

Posted December 16th at 3:06 AM
Matt Lanza:

Matt, there are strict guidelines. 35 mph winds and 1/4 mi visibility for 3 hours I think.

Posted December 16th at 3:07 AM
humphr:

Matt (HP) - The NWS criteria for a blizzard is as follows:
Both the 10m wind speed is greater than or equal to 30kts and surface visibility is less than 1/4 mile - in falling snow or ice pellets for at least three hours.

Hope this helps! :)

Posted December 16th at 3:10 AM
Gina ( Trenton Falls):

I am approx 10 miles north of Utica...dogs just woke me up...went outside for some more wood....It seems like 3-4 inches on ground and snowing....the wind is howling...wind chimes are going nuts...hard to see across the street that is for damn sure...and talk about cold...anyone on the roads now has a death wish. I don't see the use in the plows even trying to attempt to clear anything at the moment...would blow right over after they cleared it...
Are we nuts...up and watching this storm with great intensity?
Stay safe everyone.!!!!

Posted December 16th at 3:14 AM
Matt Lanza:

It's probably too late to make snowfall changes, but honestly, I would be upping things a bit because the real mixing isn't progged to start until after sunrise and we're already easily 3-6" in most areas north of Rt 20 and the precip keeps coming hard. I see nothing on radar right now that leads me to believe we'll change exclusively to sleet anytime soon. It's just that the front end of this storm is likely outperforming itself. With a surface temp of 12 degrees right now, snowfall ratios have to be at least 15 or even 20:1. Assume we get a total of 0.60" liquid. Right there is 6"+, so...all told, I think we're going to meet and possibly exceed snowfall forecasted totals right now.

Posted December 16th at 3:14 AM
mike m ( binghamton):

ahh downsloping is getting us here, precip is too light to be snow now so it is light sleet, hopefully hevy precip will move back in here as snow.

Posted December 16th at 3:20 AM
mike m ( binghamton):

rob 06z wrf is lookin great for 5-12 inches of wrap around snow all the way from central pa through upstate ny.

Posted December 16th at 3:24 AM
Matt (HP):

Matt are you still at the station? And is anyone else with you?

Posted December 16th at 3:37 AM
Michael- (Dolgeville):

Still snowing moderately to heavy at times. 4-5" inches on the ground right now. All side streets in town have that amount of snow on them also as DPW crews are not out. State DOT is going to have their hands full with this one!

Posted December 16th at 3:41 AM
Steve ( lakeside East side of Kyser lake--Oppenheim):

Matt L, you said your looking for reports from anyone who is still up. I have 5" of accumulation in a 5 gal pail I am using for measurements. It has been all snow here (albeit light fine snow) since starting just before midnight. Wind keeps shifting around but very lightly. I would say between 5 to 10 MPH. Visability has not changed from my last report about 2 hrs ago at 100 to 200 ft. And temp on the old thermometer is now down to 16 from 22 but to these 52 yr old bones, it feels bitterly cold out there and quite crispy. People may be having periods of sleet or freezing rain around the state and maybe it is my location right next to the frozen lake, but it has been ALL snow here all night. Even though I am only 3 miles outside of Dolgeville and Mikes reports from there, when ever we get these potentials for "big" storms, I just get pummeled with snow over here. Hope this helps.

Posted December 16th at 3:47 AM
Matt Lanza:

Matt: I am here with Jill, our director Steve and Brian Sandler, along with one of our engineers and a master control operator.

Steve: Thanks so much for the report. Keep us posted as you can (or want to...not easy going outside!)

Also, I did cave in and update the snow map...through NOON Sunday...this does NOT include tomorrow night's snow, for reasons because it's almost like two storms. Click here for the update. I hate doing this because it feels like cheating. But our in-house radar-based snow estimates are over 7-8" in western Oneida County. Thruway corridor is getting pounded.

Posted December 16th at 3:55 AM
Frank (Utica):

We just got in from plowing and boy that wind is brutal we must have a good 5+ in East Utica.... Hopin that bad boy gets droppin in pressure and we get hammered on the back side.... Nice to see you updating the totals Matt.

Posted December 16th at 4:00 AM
Matt Lanza:

Frank..I'm putting Utica down for 5". I'd like to hear from someone else in the Thruway corridor right now. Mesoscale banding feature has really set up over Oneida/Onondaga Counties. Not sure if sleet is mixing there, but radar is not necessarily implying that, so snowfall could be significant in some of those area. Syracuse automated station is reporting blowing snow right now, but no precip. Somehow I don't buy that. If anyone from 'Cuse is reading, I'd like to hear from you too.

Posted December 16th at 4:07 AM
ryan:

just wondering how traveling to rome would be from ilion

Posted December 16th at 4:08 AM
Matt Lanza:

Ryan: Travel at this time is not recommended period.

Posted December 16th at 4:09 AM
Jones:

KSYR is reporting sleet. (-PL)

Posted December 16th at 4:10 AM
Rob(whitesboro):

I have 3.5" here.It's been snowing but it's a grainy snow.No fluff to it.I'm going to take a snooze..zzzzz

Posted December 16th at 4:12 AM
Michael- (Dolgeville):

Steve, report anytime you like! Just because I report from my location in town doesn't mean you can't. It's nice to know that I have somebody else up this area that is interested in sending in reports. This blog is for everyone regardlesss of location or number of reporters. As you well know, up this area 3 miles can make alot of difference weather and temperature wise.

Posted December 16th at 4:14 AM
Maggie ( Yorkville):

Right now, not so much snow coming down as it is blowing around. The wind chill factor has got to be as significant as the snow accumulation.

Posted December 16th at 4:16 AM
Matt Lanza:

Snow has stopped for the most part here and we've gone to sleet...d'oh!

Posted December 16th at 4:24 AM
Matt Lanza:

Temps are skyrocketing in the western Finger Lakes now...37 at Wellsville, but only about 50 miles away it's 20 degrees.

Posted December 16th at 4:30 AM
mike m ( binghamton):

downsloping is killing me down here, down sloping is usually not a problem here??

Posted December 16th at 4:30 AM
Matt (HP):

I realize its 4:30 in the morning but are there any closing or cancellations coming in to the station? Roads? State of Emergency's? Etc.

Posted December 16th at 4:30 AM
Michael- (Dolgeville):

Rob, that makes two of us! I got three hours of sleep Thursday night, six hours this morning, and none so far tonight. So I guess that with only nine hours of sleep in 60hrs, and a full day of snow removal ahead of me, I should hit the bed, but this is just too exciting! I should include 12+ hours of shoveling Thursday, 17 hour trip to NYC Friday, and 7 hours of XMAS shopping Saturday. MATT, I bet you got more sleep than I did, lol!
Anyways, too cold and tired to get another official measurement here but I would say a solid 5" inches since 11:00 p.m. Not a sign of sleet yet here!

Posted December 16th at 4:32 AM
Matt (HP):

Where is that warm air coming from in at the surface? Thats not gonna get here right?

Posted December 16th at 4:32 AM
mike m ( binghamton):

matt, i think something is wrong with wellsvilles thermometer, they been showing 38 for a while now with a dew point of 20...no way its right. central pa is still well below freezing

Posted December 16th at 4:39 AM
mike m ( binghamton):

i stand corrected..it may be 39 degrees at wellsville, wow!!

Posted December 16th at 4:43 AM
Steve (lakeside Kyser Lake):

Thanks Matt and Mike for the positive comments and I am not trying not to go off topic with this comment but you guys might get a laugh out of this, but to live where I do ALL winter long as the ONLY resident on either side of the lake out of about 50 "seasonal" camps down here, always reminds me of the movie "The Shining" and the way the hotel gets cut off from the "outside" world during the snowstorm.
The same kind of happens to me here. My driveway is barely single lane winding between 100 ft tall pine trees and it is about 1000 almost straight uphill to Kyser Lake road and when it snows like it did during the Xmas 2002 and New Years day 2002 storms as well as the VDay storm of last year, my 5 Whippets and I are LITERALLY trapped down here because the snow drifts and since the driveway is so narrow, there is no where to plow the snow out of the driveway. But we always okay as I am well prepared for the siege including an ample supply of food and a back-up power generator.
Matt, you might remember I was the nut who risked life and limb to climb out onto the edge of the rocks overhanging the downside of the dam to take the digital photos for the station of the water cutting a brand new channel downriver and washing away the power plant on the day of the flood just a few hours after the Dolgeville resturant (D&R) washed over the dam. To this day I still can't afford the cost of the rip-rap material and heavy equipment to replace my dock and boat launch from that storm.
I swear, I have to be crazy to live here BUT you can't beat the warm summer July and August nights with low humidity and a gentle breeze blowing across the lake from the West through the open windows. :-)
Okay, enough of that......we're supposed to be reporting on this storm, right?? LOLOL :-)

Posted December 16th at 4:47 AM
mike m ( binghamton):

well im off to bd..this storm sucks....now the NAM has latched onto deformation zone, while the gfs has not...ive had enough for now. ping...ping ping...its all sleet here, and precip looks to end soon.

Posted December 16th at 4:47 AM
Laura (West Winfield):

Well I am awake because of the wind. It is howling up here on the hill. I am not going outside to measure anything, it's too cold. It's still snowing hard here. Sure not looking forward to milking cows in a couple of hours...I'll try to keep you updated here.

Posted December 16th at 4:48 AM
Matt (HP):

Its a sleet/snow mix here. I have to concure about wellsville being wrong. Its 28 in Olean, 24 in Dansville and Bradford, PA is at 28.

Posted December 16th at 4:54 AM
dave (HP):

Got home from work an hour ago don't go on the roads unless you have to . The wind is horrible on top of the cold it is down right insane out . floated through several drifts to get home . If the roads aren't covered in snow they appear to have a nice sheet of ice on them be careful if you have to go out .

Posted December 16th at 4:56 AM
Matt (HP):

Dave which way did you have to come home? 12 or 291, 365?

Posted December 16th at 4:58 AM
Steve (lakeside Kyser Lake):

4:55 am here and it's actually snowing harder now outside. NO SLEET at all. I have a solid 6 inches of snow in the bucket and it still bloody cold. Thermometer now says 14 degrees and it feels it but even though there have been reports from the other posters about wind blowing the stuff around, I have not had much wind all night and visability has remained the same at a couple of hundred feet.

Posted December 16th at 4:59 AM
Denys (East Winfield):

Here goes..........Right now I have sleet and very high winds. It's roaring over the hill in back of my house. I can here percip hitting my windows, but see flakes in that as well. Very fine snow. Temp is 17 degrees. I have 5 inches of snow. As I write this, it turned to all snow.

Posted December 16th at 5:00 AM
Matt Lanza:

Wind a real issue right now. WInds continue to steadily increase here and are frequently sustained at 30 mph, gusting to 40 or higher. Looking at short fuse model data, it is possible winds continue to increase as the night goes on. That will make things interesting up here.

Posted December 16th at 5:01 AM
Matt (HP):

The Low in the Ohio Valley is down to 994mB. The one in South Carolina is at 1002mb but looks like its getting crap from the Ohio system.

Posted December 16th at 5:02 AM
Matt Lanza:

Route 12 is in the process of being closed south of Summit Road (Paris).

Posted December 16th at 5:09 AM
Denys (East Winfield):

Matt - how can I have 5 inches of snow??? Is it because of my elevation? By the way, it's sleeting again.

Posted December 16th at 5:13 AM
Matt (HP):

That doesnt suprise me, its horrible down there. Also www.9wsyr.com has alot of syracuse closings up already. It was last updated at 5:10AM. Sorry, im not trying to push another TV station just making sure people are informed of whats closed!!!

Posted December 16th at 5:16 AM
Matt Lanza:

Denys: Most likely. There was a good front end thumping of snow...we quickly went from light to heavy and it piled up.

Posted December 16th at 5:17 AM
Justin (little falls):

It has been snowing here hard in LF all night, just changed to some sleet mixing in, the wind is REALLY blowing now, but it feels like it may have warmed up some in the past hour or so

Posted December 16th at 5:37 AM
Tom (Richfield Springs):

We have 5-6" of snow in Richfield, lots of wind and now sleet. At 4:00 AM it was 9 degrees

Posted December 16th at 5:40 AM
Jill Reale:

It is starting to sleet up here on Smith Hill, and the winds are continuing to roar.

Posted December 16th at 5:43 AM
Mimi:

I'm down toward Cooperstown in Westford. Been up since 4am. Wind is brutal out there and the path that I shoveled last night is completely snowed in and blown over. Can't tell how much snow fell because of the wind, but the sleet has been falling since I've been up.

Posted December 16th at 5:52 AM
ella-herkimer:

very windy here with some sleet.

Posted December 16th at 5:53 AM
Patty:

Was woke up by how hard the sleet was hitting the windows here in the village of Herkimer. The wind is very strong and the sleet is coming down fast and furious. @ 5:55am

Posted December 16th at 5:53 AM
Jules (Ilion):

Moderate sleet here in Ilion...temp at 16f

Posted December 16th at 6:10 AM
Jeff (Deerfield):

Good morning Jill, when you drove up the hill this morning... how were the conditions? I have some co-workers that will be out and about this morning and I am concerned for them.

Thanks :)

Posted December 16th at 6:15 AM
Jill Reale:

Jeff: I have actually been here since 10pm last night but Matt and I have ventured outside to measure snowfall and up on Smith Hill the wind is blowing 30mph with gusts of 45 mph, causing whiteout conditions.

Posted December 16th at 6:19 AM
Barb:

Nice to know so many people up and interested in the weather in East Winfield area. We should be used to it! The wind has blown the snow all around, paths have disappeared. Sleeting. Visability a little better. Plows have been through 2-3 times in the last 3 hours. I heard them, because you couldn't tell looking at Route 20.

Posted December 16th at 6:22 AM
Jill Reale:

All roads in Frankfort are closed.

Posted December 16th at 6:22 AM
Denys (East Winfield):

Barb - Most of the time I am "snowed in" because of Rte. 20!!! Is it the arm pit, or what??? It amazing how bad Rte 20 can get. Sleeting here fast and furiously!

Posted December 16th at 6:29 AM
Bob Frankfort:

Where can I find road closings and other closings

Posted December 16th at 7:00 AM
Batb:

Denys - plows came thru twice since I wrote. You can see the roadway now! I think the plows do much better now compared to a few years ago. I just hate the areas where it is a constant drift and white out. No way to get to or from Utica safely! Still sleet and wind.

Posted December 16th at 7:00 AM
Mike(Leonardsville):

I can't stand sleet, it's not freezing rain but I don't think I added much on to the snowfall since 1.

Posted December 16th at 7:01 AM
Mike(Leonardsville):

Are we still going to get that dry slot and how long is that going to last?

Posted December 16th at 7:04 AM
Andy Artessa (Forestport):

http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/index_loop.php it does look like there will be a break in the action

Posted December 16th at 7:10 AM
gina ( trenton falls):

been up since 5:30 to wind ahowling and sleet hitting the window....wind is still howling but seems the sleet has let up a bit. Still looking nasty out there.
I must say...I moved up here going on 8 years now....and the best neighbors in the world are up here....really a "country" setting...since I have been up....I have had 2 neighbors go by and clear out my driveway...I love Trenton Falls!!!

Posted December 16th at 7:27 AM
carol:

I live in worcester,ny and when i got up at 4 am there was only a couple inches of snow at most. could hear precipitation hitting windows...sleet? it's about 7:30 now and doing nothing outside. no ice accumulation on my trees.

Posted December 16th at 7:28 AM
Jules (Ilion):

Still moderate to heavy sleet here in Ilion at 7:30am temp at 16f 6in. of snow has fallen so far.

Posted December 16th at 7:31 AM
Jeff (Southern hills):

Well good morning all!!!

Just came in from snowplowing and measuring. Solid 4 inches of snow with a LOT of sleet on top. Sleeting hard earlier, now it has gone pretty calm. There is some wind but not all that bad down here.

I havent had a chance to look at the models, ARE we going to get some good snow later today and tonight????

I did look at the radar and there is an amazing dry area coming through Pennsylvania. Any chance of that filling in??

Posted December 16th at 7:32 AM
Jimmy DeFazio (New Hartford):

Woke up around 7 from sleet slamming the windows and precip here seems to be winding down for now. I estimate 3-5 inches out there. Going to go out and get an official measurement in a little while.

Posted December 16th at 7:33 AM
Tina (Lairdsville):

Interestingly, we got no snow at all here. Nothing. Started as sleet, stayed sleet and is still coming down at a good clip with wicked winds.

Posted December 16th at 7:34 AM
Lisa (Oriskany):

Hi, Well it seems that I have been hearing sleet for part of the night and into the morning, it doesnt look like outside that we got much snow.. The road is still pretty clear besides a few little drifts here and there..So far its been mainly sleet for us...

Posted December 16th at 7:36 AM
James (Sauquoit):

Any more information on what tonight looks like for the viewing area? light sleet falling here in Sauquoit with sharp winds

Posted December 16th at 7:39 AM
Mike(Leonardsville):

Looking at the loop on the radar it looks like the moisture we are getting now is moving from due south and we might miss most of that dry slot. The dry slot might go west of us in the finger lakes.

Posted December 16th at 7:39 AM
Jill Reale:

Matt posted a new snowfall map in entry #157 with snowfall totals through tonight.

Posted December 16th at 7:42 AM
Laura (Paris Hill):

Godd morning all...the winds up here are amazing. 45-50 miles an hour just shaking the windows and the house. Used to strong winds up here but it has been like this since 2 AM. White out conditions on SR 12. I guess the road is closed? Light sleet right now with a temp of 18.2.

Posted December 16th at 7:42 AM
James (Sauquoit):

Mike: If there is no dry slot does that mean the sleet will continue?

Posted December 16th at 7:43 AM
Trista:

Really not sure how much snow we have gotten, but i know it has been sleeting since 3 this morning. it looks terrible out there? Anyone else from the Cooperstown/fly creek area, can tell me what they think we have gotten, I hate to go out in this stuff.. Matt L... Do u think it will clear up some mid-morning, as i have to go to Richfield to have my kids christmas pictures done.. What do u think it will be like then?? Ill go outside soon to measure the snow.. Ill keep ya updated in this area..

Posted December 16th at 7:43 AM
Laura (Paris Hill):

Sorry, that's good morning!

Posted December 16th at 7:43 AM
Karen~ Westmoreland:

Sleet heavy at times here in Westmoreland .Looks like it has snow mixed in with it and very windy.

Posted December 16th at 7:43 AM
Mel (Westernville):

6.5" of snow here - still sleet/fine snow mix - visibility back down to 1/2 mile

Posted December 16th at 7:44 AM
Jeff (southern Hills):

The link in post 157 shows snow till Sunday Noon. What about after that? What are the models doing with the back end of this storm, now that we are in the dry slot?

Posted December 16th at 7:45 AM
Jeff (Southern Hills):

Ok going to play cards before work. See ya all after 3pm from work.

Posted December 16th at 7:48 AM
Chris:

Wow, this storm is nasty.

Posted December 16th at 7:50 AM
Laura (Paris Hill):

Now have freezing rain mixed in with sleet. Jill, how long will this "dry slot" last and are the winds going to get worse as the day goes on?

Posted December 16th at 7:51 AM
Gina (Trenton Falls):

both wind and sleet have picked up in intensity in the past 1/2 hour...i have to say close to 4 inches of snow...with a good layering of sleet on top.

Posted December 16th at 7:55 AM
Lisa-oriskany:

WOW winds are horrible here... Im surprised we still have power..knock on wood, because wed' freeze if power went out..

Posted December 16th at 7:55 AM
Jeff (Deerfield):

Dead quiet and a quick peek of sun, is this it... was that the storm? Noooooo :(

Posted December 16th at 8:05 AM
Trista (Fly Creek Skywatcher):

Its so hard to give a exact snow total, i went out and measured in a few places, and most areas are saying 4 inces, with a nice layer of sleet on top. It could easily be more but with the wind, it deffinatly had a say in it. Its not doing much right now, still very windy... Ill keep ya updated.. Matt what else should we expect out of this storm??

Posted December 16th at 8:11 AM
Matt(Marcy):

Hi everyone!! picked up a nice 5 and a half inches of snow with about 2 inches of sleet/ice pellets and very light sleet/ice pellets

Posted December 16th at 8:12 AM
Matt(Marcy):

Trista: we will probably see the sleet and other precip. pick up again with most everyone seeing either sleet or sleet and snow mixed before we all go back to snow for another 4-7 inches before all is said and done

Posted December 16th at 8:15 AM
Larry on Military Road:

Hi Gang:

We just got in from a trip to the Canadian Maritime and had to cut it short because of this event. So far here on Military Road in the Town of Salisbury I've got the following conditions: Overcast with light to moderate sleet; 17 degrees; barometer: 29.71" F. Wind out of the ESE @ 5 - 22 mph (G) 25 mph. Snow/Sleet - 6.0". Thanks team for all your work in providing accurate coverage of this storm. Even from Grand Manan I kept in touch with this weather team and your forecast. Thanks again.

Posted December 16th at 8:17 AM
Terri (Sauquoit):

James--where are you in Sauquoit? I'm on King Road. Very light, fine snow falling here. Winds are mild at the moment. 18 degrees.

Matt-what does the commute look like for southern Oneida/Herkimer counties for tomorrow morning?

Posted December 16th at 8:31 AM
Bruce(Rome):

Winds have calmed down somewhat. Precipitation has halted for the moment.
Total accumulation 6.5 inches.

Posted December 16th at 8:42 AM
Jimmy DeFazio (New Hartford):

4 inches so far as of 8:30 a.m.

Posted December 16th at 8:46 AM
Betsi~West Leyden:

Here in West Leyden we have 8~10 inches hard to tell bad snow drifts, winds are howling bad,The sleet that was taping windows seemed to slow down a bit,,looks like tiny grainy snow mix,just a Nasty Nasty day ,,,Good day to stay home and watch the football games,,,Seems like they have to play in snow also,, Gonna be a Exciting Day Id Say!

Posted December 16th at 8:48 AM
Mike S (Port Leyden):

Sleet, I'm going down to measure right now.

Posted December 16th at 8:53 AM
Mike S (Port Leyden):

5.5" of white stuff is out there. It's heavy!

Posted December 16th at 9:00 AM
carol:

9am just came in from shoveling my drive. 3-4 inches of snow/sleet wind starting to pick up..temp 20 no precip since around 7 here in worcester. is that all there is????

Posted December 16th at 9:02 AM
stevo (rome):

http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~gadomski/AVNEAST_0z/avneastloop.html GFS 18z model run. is showing another blast of snow coming on the backside of the storm.followed by some pretty decent lake squalls.

Posted December 16th at 9:04 AM
Cindy (Ilion):

Are we expecting a lot more snow tonight? I listened to the radio this morning and heard many different reports as far as snowfall totals for tonight.

Posted December 16th at 9:05 AM
Mel (Westernville):

Just back from plowing some driveways over in Lee/Stokes and it was starting to freezing rain on the windshield over that way.

Posted December 16th at 9:20 AM
stevo (rome):

Im calling at least 8 more inches in the Rome area from the second storm. that might be an understatement. This is my forecast. not wktv's. its from info I gathered!

Posted December 16th at 9:28 AM
Jim (Poland):

Not as much snow overnight as we expected; it seems the sleet worked in early -- the dog came back in sparkling! Winds were fierce around 4 am, lessening now, but it feels like the windchill is seeping in through the walls.

Posted December 16th at 9:28 AM
Bob Jones:

Steveo,

How about that foot in Rome you called for? If you were a real meteorologist you'd never make it. Looks like it takes more than just guessing to be one huh?

Posted December 16th at 9:35 AM
Chris:

I think the Jets may have an even playing field with the pats.

Posted December 16th at 9:46 AM
Denys (East Winfield):

9:45am - there is a fine snow falling now. Temp is 20 degrees. Still pretty windy. Sounds like a freight train coming down the hill in back of my house!

Posted December 16th at 9:48 AM
Jack-Dolgeville:

5.5 inches in village...currently 18 degrees..I'd call it a steady strong breeze..gustin low right now...very light wintry mix...if the backlash of snow hits...roads are going to a be a disaster

Posted December 16th at 9:49 AM
Denys (East Winfield):

Chris - I am a die hard Pat's fan. Have been all my life. Grew up in the burb's of Boston. I am biting my tongue right now at your last comment! LOL

Posted December 16th at 9:51 AM
matt (clinton):

I think there were pleanty of "real meteorologists" that did call for a foot in the mohawk valley.

Posted December 16th at 9:55 AM
matt (clinton):

*plenty

Posted December 16th at 9:55 AM
mike m ( binghamton):

how much in rome now...becasue i think 4-8 more seems likely.

Posted December 16th at 10:03 AM
mike m ( binghamton):

btw, winds are gusting well over 40 mph, had a large brance fall off my pine tree....

Posted December 16th at 10:04 AM
Max (Schenectady):

Just got back in from snowblowing. Sleeting out in Schenectady now. We got about 4-5" overnight. Supposedly we're going to get sleet, precip will stop, then possibly rain/sleet changing over to a little snow later on at night, but no more major accumulations. I was kinda hoping to get snowed in Monday, but at least we're going to have a white Christmas this year.

Posted December 16th at 10:04 AM
mike m ( binghamton):

changing back over to snow in central pa, state college,johnstowns, aloona, bradford. matt,jill,bill, wasthis expected so early?

Posted December 16th at 10:07 AM
Jessica East Herkimer:

Just wondering.. I noticed that a new snowfall map was posted however it shows 3 - 6 west of Oneida County through Monday morning, but it doesn't show what the totals are for the whole white area east of Oneida County. Maybe my map just isn't coming up right. Did anyone hear what we are supposed to get through Monday morning?

Posted December 16th at 10:19 AM
Mel (Westernville):

Sun just broke out here!

Posted December 16th at 10:19 AM
chris:

Bills are supposed to be playing in a blizzard.

Posted December 16th at 10:29 AM
Mike S (Port Leyden):

Already changing back, cool.

Posted December 16th at 10:33 AM
mike m ( binghamton):

deformation zone taking shape across central/western pa, slowly moving NNE;difficult to tell on radar but i believe it will be into binghamton in about and hour, and utica between noon and 2pm. places across central pa are turning to snow, and i suspect we follow suit as this precip moves in here.

Posted December 16th at 10:34 AM
Matt Lanza:

Matt in Clinton: Glad we weren't one of them...or at least when we realized we had a problem, we cut back on numbers.

Guys, I think the reason places are changing over so soon is because the speed of the storm has sped up considerably from what was originally forecasted. I honestly think the heavy snow (which looked like it would fall between 7 and Midnight) may now be pushed up to 2 and 8 PM. Jill and I are changing the snow map for the rest of the event, and going with 2-4" area-wide between Noon and 7 AM, with the majority falling through 5-6 PM. Lake effect will also be a factor and may contribute to higher amounts in the Syracuse area, western Oneida and the Tug Hill tonight after the bulk of the storm pases. New snow map will be up shortly.

Posted December 16th at 10:42 AM
Dave (Fairfield):

Glad I canceled out my appointments for this weekend thanks to Matt L's comments posted on the blog a few days back. We may have not have gotten the 12 inchs as thought, but this storm is nothing to sneeze at when one is on the road, for sure.
--Pasted here is the comment that saved my clients some grief: Regarding Saturday night-Sunday night... this storm looks extremely significant. The biggest storm we've ever had before December 20th was in 1973, when 12.2" fell. Honestly, based on the latest model runs, we very well may obliterate that record, as well as make a run at some other December snow records. I'm not trying to overhype this...I understand this is a major weekend for shopping. But, there is nothing I see right now that would prevent us from seeing at least one foot of snow, likely more. We need to watch this closely. I would go ahead with travel cancellations this weekend if you are going places.
Posted 21 minutes ago by Matt Lanza. -- I emailed this to my clients that were coming in from Conn. and were going to get work done Saturday, along with some locals, and then they were going to finish up and return today, Sunday. I took Matt L's advice and resheduled them. This may have saved the people from Conn. some headaches, or even tragedy, because this wind, sleet, snow and icy mixture, which, in my opinion, may be just as bad, or worse, for driving than just plain snow when one needs to drive over 200 miles through it! Thanks Matt L. for getting out there to at least tell us it was going to be a bad storm - 12 inchs or not.

Posted December 16th at 10:50 AM
Matt Lanza:

Click here for the snowfall map.

Posted December 16th at 10:55 AM
Matt Lanza:

Dave: That's what we try and do...it's not an epic storm by any means, but certainly a nasty one. And the wind hasn't even come close to letting up.

Posted December 16th at 10:57 AM
Mike(Leonardsville):

Warnings cancelled in Otsego and Chenango counties. Looks like this storm is almost in the book.

Posted December 16th at 10:58 AM
Brad (Oneonta):

Storm was a bust here. Only about 2" of pelletized snow/sleet total. Right now doing nothing outside and it is near 30 degrees.

Posted December 16th at 11:06 AM
Eliza in Westernville:

Kudos to the WKTV weather team for backing off on snow totals 1st! At 11pm, the sr. meteorologist on one Syracuse station did likewise, but you guys were the first! Mel, I'm on Main Street in Westernville, but no sun broke out here. You must be at a higher elevation. Sky WNW looks very threatening. Another storm expected 12/20? Will definitely trust WKTV's opinion!

Posted December 16th at 11:09 AM
Bob (Cooperstown):

4-5" Here in the Village. Roads are plowed and sanded. Sun is out but very dark clouds to the Northwest. Winds continue to howl.

Posted December 16th at 11:13 AM
Jack-Dolgeville:

Not much wind here in Dolgeville...not sure why you guys are getting it and we are not.

Posted December 16th at 11:19 AM
Matt Lanza:

Jack: Winds are ESE on average. That's a perfect trajectory to funnel down the Mohawk Valley, which is why any E-W oriented valleys are probably getting nailed. I believe Dolgeville is in a N-S valley?

Posted December 16th at 11:21 AM
kelly (MOhawk):

just looked outside and nothing we got 4" of snow if that I just hope we get more.

Posted December 16th at 11:24 AM
Mel (Westernville):

Yeah Eliza - up on quaker hill - the sun was short lived - not even 10 minutes - real cloudy and windy now with more snow knocking on the doorstep.

Posted December 16th at 11:24 AM
Becky (West Leyden):

I measured in ten spots for an average of 9 inches of snow. Our winds last night were 20-34 MPH. with one gust of 42 mph at 3:15 AM. At this time winds are still strong and gusty 15-23 MPH with a few gust of 30 MPH

Posted December 16th at 11:25 AM
Gary (east Utica):

Hi, all. Sun is out here at the moment...was sleeting at 6:30am. Looks like we picked up 2-3 inches of snow overnight. The wind is howling and to my west, the sky looks quite dark.

Posted December 16th at 11:25 AM
Kaitlyn (South Utica):

Eh, it doesn't look like we got much! Maybe it's just me haha. It's really windy though.

Posted December 16th at 11:32 AM
mike m ( binghamton):

snow pellets are falling here.

Posted December 16th at 11:38 AM
Sarah (South Utica):

Kaitlyn-I agree! Although windy, we really didn't get much snow. So much for a cozy day in the house!

Posted December 16th at 11:38 AM
Jack-Dolgeville:

Matt..thanks...that would explain it...will the winds shift with the backlash?!?!

Posted December 16th at 11:48 AM
Mike S (Port Leyden):

Winds are picking up here in my N-S valley. Radar shows some good snowfall coming.

Posted December 16th at 11:53 AM
Mindy (Sherrill):

Getting hammerd now with little sleety ice balls. They are bouncing off of everything and making quite a racket!

Posted December 16th at 11:53 AM
SteveH (Tully):

We received 2.5" of a nasty snow/sleet mix overnight and it has been pretty uneventful all morning. If you check the recent radar returns you'll see a huge band of precip off to your West. That is more of the same....sleet/freez rain mix. Saw a few flakes of snow in there but mostly just a mess. Hoping we change over soon...my back and I are not looking forward to shoveling that stuff.

Posted December 16th at 11:54 AM
Matt(Marcy):

will there be strong gusty winds with the arrival of part 2 of the Nor'Easter

Posted December 16th at 11:54 AM
SteveH (Tully):

Well just as I submitted the last comment a major change has (possibly briefly) taken place. We now have huge wet snowflakes falling along with the mix. Some of the flakes are so big they are falling like rocks...not the light drifting back and forth type. They just shoot straight down to the ground.

Posted December 16th at 11:58 AM
mike m ( binghamton):

begining to see change over to snow, a few big flakes mixing with sleet pellets.

Posted December 16th at 12:05 PM
Karen~ Westmoreland:

Heavy sleet mixed with a light snow in Westmoreland again.

Posted December 16th at 12:12 PM
Rob(whitesboro):

Pea sized sleet falling here heavily.It's like a hail storm!

Posted December 16th at 12:16 PM
Karen~ Westmoreland:

looks to also have freezing rain in with the sleet here in Westmoreland

Posted December 16th at 12:20 PM
Jodi (Gray):

We got 7" by 9:00 a.m. Starting to get real windy. A lot of branches down. It was a nice break to clean up the first round.

Posted December 16th at 12:21 PM
gail:

sleet is falling hard here in cedarville. winds are howling.

Posted December 16th at 12:21 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

Sleet has been falling for about 25 min. At this time the sleet is coming down very hard. winds are 23 mph out of the SE our temperature is 22

Posted December 16th at 12:24 PM
Betsi~West Leyeden:

ITS ALL SLEET HERE IN THE NORTH COUNTRY! STAY HOME IF POSSIABLE,COMEING DOWN AT A STEADY RATE PINGING OFF WINDOWS HARD,,, IN BUCKETS IS THE WORD,,NOT A SNOW FLAKE IN SIGHT

Posted December 16th at 12:26 PM
mike m ( binghamton):

its all light snow here now...may become heavier shortly.

Posted December 16th at 12:28 PM
Barb (Lee Center):

Here's my once in a while post guys...just went out to get the paper. SLEETING hard. Hate to say this, but we are beginning to have ***yikes*** ice build up by me. If it doesn't start snowing soon, we are going to have a real problem. Rather have snow than sleet. Roads bad--if you have four-wheel drive and have to go out, use it. Ooops..there's a snowflake!!! Husband said foot of snow in the driveway this morning...and very windy.

Posted December 16th at 12:34 PM
Mike (N. Rome, West of Lake Delta):

Sleet/snow mix right now here. Started about a half hour ago. I need to announce a cancellation. Is there something I need to fill out in advance?

Posted December 16th at 12:35 PM
Jill Reale:

Sleet has just begun on Smith Hill. If you have a cancellation, email it to newslink2@wktv.com

Posted December 16th at 12:38 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

Its starting to snow

Posted December 16th at 12:38 PM
SteveH (Tully):

Snowing Heavy here right now...probably have an inch or more already!

Posted December 16th at 12:40 PM
Matt(Marcy):

heavy pea, or something a tiny bit bigger than a pea, sized sleet with a few snowflakes, like Rob in Whitesboro said it's like a hail storm

Posted December 16th at 12:43 PM
Laura (Paris Hill):

Just came off of SR 12. Sleeting like crazy but the winds have calmed down to almost nill. This is one strange storm. 24.7 here at 12:37.

Posted December 16th at 12:44 PM
mike m ( binghamton):

moderate snow here...it is going to be a close call as to wheter or not we can get some bands of heavy snow to pivot around area.

Posted December 16th at 12:51 PM
Mindy (sherrill):

Sleet just changed over to snow

Posted December 16th at 12:52 PM
Andy Artessa (Forestport):
1. 300 Are we still in for some backend snow?
Posted December 16th at 12:52 PM
Matt (Clinton):

sleet just changed to snow in Clinton.

Posted December 16th at 12:55 PM
Matt(Marcy):

300!!!!!!!!!!!!! now we just need 24 more entries and a new record will be set for most entries in a blog and currently heavy sleet with light winds

Posted December 16th at 12:56 PM
Todd (New Hartford):

I think we are still getting sleet here or else very small flakes of snow.....I can still here the noise on the windows though. The wind really has died right down. I was out clearing the driveway and had stuff blowing in my face the whole time. Then (of course) when I finished, the wind seemed to completely stop. Despite the snow not materializing much so far.....it is definitely a good day to stay inside!

Posted December 16th at 12:56 PM
Matt(Marcy):

starting to see a change over with the sleet becoming bigger and fluffier

Posted December 16th at 12:58 PM
Rob(whitesboro):

Just about all snow now here too.Visability is coming way down.Full blown blizzard in progress in Cleveland for Bills/Browns.

Posted December 16th at 1:01 PM
MikeD(S.Utica):

Matt Lanza, Could you add "no more nws alerts" to the ground rules. It takes up an excessive amount of space when I'm viewing the blog on my cell phone. If folks want to post those, have them post the site instead. Snowing moderately in Syracuse right now. Thanks.

Posted December 16th at 1:04 PM
Cindy (Ilion):

Well it is still sleeting here, but I don't hear it on the window anymore. It looks as though it might be changing over to something??? A light snow maybe. I can just barely see it out the window. It is 25 here right now. I would love to see some good snows on the back end of this. Is there a chance of that? or are we still just talking about 2" or so?

Posted December 16th at 1:04 PM
Chris:

Bills game is a white-out.

Posted December 16th at 1:16 PM
Mike (N. Rome, West of Lake Delta):

Thanks Jill!

Posted December 16th at 1:20 PM
Jeff (Port Leyden:

snowing moderately here in port leyden. Changed over about 50 minutes ago.

Posted December 16th at 1:23 PM
Matt (HP):

Mike, I dont think the no more NWS alerts is going to happen. Especially considering Matt actually posts them on here at times.
I do think they could be condensed a little bit.

Posted December 16th at 1:26 PM
mike m ( binghamton):

heavy snow here.

Posted December 16th at 1:27 PM
Matt(Marcy):

some sort of sleet/snow/fog mix up here in Marcy

Posted December 16th at 1:28 PM
MikeD:

Matt(HP), In the previous blog 2 NWS alerts were posted and neither of them were from WKTV. I bet I miss beteen 5-10 average length posts for each of them.Perhaps they could be condensed.

Posted December 16th at 1:40 PM
Matt Lanza:

I'm back home and will be posting as a weather enthusiast from here on in. Interesting news nugget... two television antenna towers in Northeast PA collapsed because of ice and wind...not a good combination. As has been stated, snow is better than anything else.

Posted December 16th at 1:43 PM
Pat (sauquoit):

Light wet snow here. Hoping to see alot of white this afternoon!

Posted December 16th at 1:44 PM
lisa (rome):

rome is doing nothing right now calm before the storm i guess,it was sleetng earlier very heavy at times, i want the fluffy snow easy to shovel.Not this heavy mix

Posted December 16th at 1:44 PM
Bob (Cooperstown):

Heavy sleet falling in the Village. Roads getting slippery again

Posted December 16th at 1:48 PM
Matt Lanza:

MikeD: I am guilty of that as well, but I would also like to see that...perhaps just pasting the advisory/warning and then the locations would be sufficient...and if there is any eye popping or important info also contained. That's fine by me.

Also, I want to just publically acknowledge and thank Jill for being up since yesterday morning and still working very hard. She's done an outstanding job and has now gotten her official initiation as a WKTV Meteorologist ;)

Posted December 16th at 1:52 PM
Karen~ Westmoreland:

Just snow now in Westmoreland

Posted December 16th at 1:52 PM
Pat (Sauquoit):

Yeah, just looked outside again. Nice fat white flakes of snow falling! Falling fast too. Traffic on Rt 8 looks like it is moving along okay.

Posted December 16th at 1:54 PM
Matt(Marcy):

heavy bombflakes(gigantic snowflakes) now falling here in Marcy

Posted December 16th at 1:56 PM
Mike S (Port Leyden):

We're back to tiny snowflakes, visibility 1/8 of a mile.

Posted December 16th at 1:57 PM
~Ben~ Oneida:

Here in Oneida it's changed over to all snow and coming down ata a good rate. Hopefully it lasts.

Posted December 16th at 1:58 PM
Kate (S. Utica):

It's finally snowing in Utica.

Great Job Jill, Matt, and Bill!

Posted December 16th at 1:58 PM
Andy Artessa (Forestport):

so are we still on for backend snows tonight?

Posted December 16th at 1:59 PM
Matt(Marcy):

WE HAVE A NEW RECORD FOR BLOG ENTRIES, WHICH BREAKS THE OLD RECORD OF 324 SET ON CHRISTMAS OF '06 and the bombflakes have turned into regular snowflakes and intesified

Posted December 16th at 2:01 PM
Brian (forestport):

lots of snow here coming down preety good.

Posted December 16th at 2:01 PM
mike m ( binghamton):

i would say utica should get anywhere from 3-6 inches with this next band of heavy snow...depending on how it pivots.

Posted December 16th at 2:02 PM
Mike S (Port Leyden):

Ben from Oneida is the official record breaker, and I tied it. Must be a storm to break a week long blog entry.

Posted December 16th at 2:03 PM
Matt Lanza:

Kate...and Adam as well. He doesn't post in the blog as much as the rest of us but he was up on Smith Hill yesterday more than once helping out. A combined team effort that, although at times it was a frustrating, pull your hair out forecast, was very successful I think.

Posted December 16th at 2:09 PM
GS-Cooperstown:

Heavy wet snow in Cooperstown - just in time for the Candlight Evening

Posted December 16th at 2:14 PM
Barrett:

I'm supposed to drive from Westernville to Utica and back at 4pm and 12am. But I'm still new to the area and want to know what the locals think. Should I call in or go for it?

Posted December 16th at 2:15 PM
Mike S (Port Leyden):

The new radar likes making things dark. It's heavy right now, but looks to get heavier.

Posted December 16th at 2:18 PM
Stacy ( Stratford ):

Its coming down really heavy here!! The snow is trying hard to overcome the sleet. I have a 75/25 mixture going on at the moment, none the less its coming down very hard. I assume from previous posts this will eventual change to all snow.The roads out here are a disaster, very sloppy.

Posted December 16th at 2:19 PM
Kate (S. Utica):

GEAT JOB ADAM as well! :) Sorry Matt:(

It's snowing heavier now... (Sorry if this posted again, I don't think my other one posted)

Posted December 16th at 2:20 PM
Jack-Dolgeville:

Dolgeville....Heavy snow...still light winds...visibility bout 1/4 mile...temp dropping again

Posted December 16th at 2:27 PM
Lisa-Oriskany:

Hey Matt, Jill or Bill?? Since you set back the snow fall totals, and the time frame of snow was set back from noon-8pm, are you saying things should die down after 8pm tonight or are we looking at more snow after 8pm tonight??

Does ANYONE want to come plow my driveway:)

Posted December 16th at 2:32 PM
Andy Artessa (Forestport):

says there is 263 link jammers online, where else are they gong on this site?

Posted December 16th at 2:35 PM
Mike(Rome):

Heavy snow here in Rome...

Posted December 16th at 2:37 PM
Mike S (Port Leyden):

Over the last 6 hours I received 1.5" of snow, bringing my total for this storm up to 7", and it's coming down rather heavy right now. Next measurement will be at 8:30pm.

Posted December 16th at 2:38 PM
Denys (East Winfield):

2:35pm - Heavy snow, 22 degrees. No wind to speak of. Grand total of snow as of now is 6.5 inches.

Posted December 16th at 2:40 PM
Barb:

Barrett - it's NOT the snow you have to worry about. It's the wind causing drifts, white-outs and an icy glazing on the roads! Out in the country with open fields it's like a different world from Utica with street lights, etc. Worry about wind and visibility at night especially, and keep your speed down if you must go out.

Posted December 16th at 2:48 PM
Becky West Leyden:

Snowing moderate to heavy at times. New snow this afternoon is Two and a half inches. Winds are out of the East at 10 mph

Posted December 16th at 2:50 PM
sno-x (westmo):

MATT: great job to the wktv weather team..I also noticed all the doubters have left the blog either they have there tail between there legs or Matt took the trash out before he left the hill.

Posted December 16th at 2:51 PM
Ken (South Utica - Hillcrest Manor):

snowing moderately here and has been for almost 2 hours now.....not really looking forward to heading to work in a couple hours either....radar shows alot of snow still to come...then maybe some lake effect too..and what of the rumors of a christmas day storm that are being tossed around as well

Posted December 16th at 2:55 PM
Jeff (Southern Hills):

LOL Hey sno, I am still here and I am glad I doubted just a bit. With 4 inches last night and now just a shade under 3 with heavy snow falling that makes 7 for the storm that was predicted to be 2-4. The snow came on much faster and sooner today than anyone expected. It has been snowing heavily here for almost 3 hours with no end in sight. There was what looked like a dry slot that has filled in now. Visibility at about 1/10th of a mile. Is the lake effect still an issue???? If we get that we will be approaching a foot for the storm.

Posted December 16th at 2:59 PM
linda:

do you think there will be lots of school closings in the morning?

Posted December 16th at 3:00 PM
Barb (Lee Center):

Huge snow flakes..coming down quite heavy. Barrett--knowing what it is like north of Rome, you may have a tricky time coming home after midnight. Seems like it is touch and go with the lake effect then, and I don't know if we are going to get anything then. I would check to see if it is going to lighten up by then--if it is, drive slow and you should be OK. Wish the Bill's would act like they are playing in Buffalo!! What the heck is wrong with them...they have played in worse in Wilson Stadium (I know..I have sat through it!!). Is that mess coming this way?

Posted December 16th at 3:03 PM
ella-herkimer:

heavy snow here in Herkimer,not much wind.

Posted December 16th at 3:03 PM
mike m ( binghamton):

we cant predict school closings!!!..cmon. jeff, that dry slot was over me for a while, im hoping to get a northerly componet to the precip flow b/c it is ending across PA, if the coastal low forms fast enough expect snow to fill in from the north and NW.

Posted December 16th at 3:04 PM
Ken (South Utica - Hillcrest Manor):

Linda...no one can predict school closings....there probably could be a handfull...maybe even delays..but that is a decission made by the school and school along not with help from wktv.

Posted December 16th at 3:06 PM
melissa:

Jill, Bill, Matt, and Adam- You guys are the best! I am always amazed at how well you all do. You are all so young, yet so professional and reliable! You make me wish I went into news broadcasting/weather while I was in college! Keep up the great work. You an inspiration to lots of young people in this area!

Posted December 16th at 3:07 PM
Mike S (Port Leyden):

Some places might even say snowmobile or walk in for all they care. Although that's unlikely, you'll have to wait until tomorrow morning, starting at 5am with Don, Andrea, and Adam's weather report.

Posted December 16th at 3:08 PM
maggie:

there is ice floating in steele creek in ilion for the first time this year.....looks like winter is here.....oh May....where are you?? lol

Posted December 16th at 3:11 PM
Bill Kardas:

We're continuing to see the wraparound move through the area. Folks, this is going to take it's sweet time moving out, so everyone can expect a light snowfall from here through at least tomorrow morning! I have to say, this is the kind of snow that I like the most. It looks nice coming down and it's not terrible driving either, at least when the roads are plowed. I didn't have any issues getting in to work this afternoon. Just take it a bit slower if you are driving out and about. You aren't invincible if you have 4 wheel drive.

Posted December 16th at 3:12 PM
Jeff (Southern Hills):

How did you do down there Mike??? And I agree, we need to get that coastal low formed to keep the precip in the area!!!

Posted December 16th at 3:12 PM
Andy Artessa (Forestport):

Beaded to Boonville on sled for dinner..... Nice....

Posted December 16th at 3:17 PM
mike m ( binghamton):

we had two inches o sleet/snow last night...followed by 2 more inches of snow so far today , for a total of 4 inches so far.

Posted December 16th at 3:18 PM
Sandy:

Bill, will the winds pick up again tonight? Thanks to all of the WKTV Team for doing such an outstanding job!

Posted December 16th at 3:22 PM
Jenn:

When should the snow stop in Utica? Or will we be getting more tonight?

Posted December 16th at 3:23 PM
Bill Kardas:

I just bought 2 new front tires to my car too. Makes all the difference in the world driving in snow. The old clunker cuts through snow like butter.

Posted December 16th at 3:24 PM
Ken (South Utica - Hillcrest Manor):

Just got a call from my boss....now work tonight closing as of 3:30...even better i get to stay in and watch the giants game now tonight.

Posted December 16th at 3:29 PM
Andrea (Work: N. Utica):

I am at work and will be headed home on Rt 12 South from North Utica to New Hartford in about an hour and a half. Are the roads slick?

Posted December 16th at 3:38 PM
Rob(whitesboro):

4" total here with lgt snow falling.The wind has been calm.

Posted December 16th at 3:39 PM
Barb (Lee Center):

Really coming down here now....all of a sudden. I can't even see out into the back field now...looks like the Valentine's Days storm!! Bills still losing....agh....no playoffs this year. Thank you Cleveland....I knew better anyway. It seemed like it cleared up every time Cleveland had to make a critical play!!

Posted December 16th at 3:44 PM
Mike S (Port Leyden):

Moderate snow falling, maybe even heavy, but not by lewis county standards. No wind whatsoever

Posted December 16th at 3:45 PM
mike m ( binghamton):

matt, bill, will binghamton see any more accumulating snow overnight?

Posted December 16th at 3:48 PM
heather(german flatts):

light snow falling has been for almost 2 hours around 1pm we had heavy freezing rain/sleet for almost 1 hr too thruway travel slow and 5s travel even slower no plows by in awhile on either thruway or 5s

Posted December 16th at 3:48 PM
Jeff (Southern Hills):

Still moderate to heavy at times snow here in Chenango County. And the radar looks like its just stuck over us and filling in with darker greens. Is this the lake enhancement??? Where is the center of the low at this time??

Posted December 16th at 3:48 PM
rach (ny mills):

Wow at the Cleveland V. Buffalo game... you can't even see the yard line, they had to put it up for the people viewing from home. I had to go out earlier it was horrible, the roads. Thank god I bought new tires myself. Currently 4" here also, w/ lgt snow.

Posted December 16th at 3:50 PM
Jenn:

My friend just texted me and said that we are supposedly going to get more ice?

Posted December 16th at 3:53 PM
heather(german flatts):

snow flakes seem to be getting bigger can actually see the flakes instead of just the drizzle look. Hubby just went to Herkimer not back yet driving a rental cause my all wheel drive in shop still. Bald tires on front hope he drives careful. Will send an update when he returns or calls..

Posted December 16th at 3:54 PM
Becky(West Leyden):

Were getting a moderate snowfall. Winds are 8 mph out of the east. Were up to 4 inches for the afternoon. our storm total is 13 inches.

Posted December 16th at 3:58 PM
Rach (NY Mills):

Bill; what's the potential, on more snow/sleet...so forth for later, I have to drive back out to Albany, later...I'm hoping there is no class tomorrow at UAlbany, because I don't feel driving out there!

Posted December 16th at 3:58 PM
sno-x (westmo):

Jeff: lol i wasn't referring to you your a regular,I was referring to the big storm riff raff like mr.El Nino and mrs.La Nia and unknown wondering why accuweather was saying more. And the forecast was 3-6 last night and 2-4 today and tonight um that's 5-10 pretty close compared to 1-2 feet...

Posted December 16th at 4:00 PM
Patty - Whitesboro:

Hubby snowblowed 3-4" around 10AM. Looks like a real light snow now with no winds. Is this the end of it, or will it pick up again through the night?

Posted December 16th at 4:03 PM
Teri (deerfield):

lets push this one into the 400's guys! Its 4pm, still snowing!

Posted December 16th at 4:06 PM
Bob (Cooperstown):

Moderate snow falling here in C-Town. Very fine Flakes & no wind.We have about 2-3 more inches on the ground from this am.

Posted December 16th at 4:08 PM
Paul (Utica):

Anyone have an idea of how the roads are? I need to drive out Route 5 from Utica to Vernon to drop my son off. I was thinking I might keep him for the extra day if school would be cancelled tomorrow, but that is looking less likely. Anyone been on, or heard about conditions on 5? Thanks!!

Posted December 16th at 4:09 PM
Cindy (Ilion):

The snow here is pretty light right now. I started to get a little excited when the snow really started to come down earlier.....and then it let up. I can't believe how bad the road still are. I live on a state road and it is really in crumby condition. I guess when you have all the roads they have to plow I'm lucky it is what it is. Hoping the snow keeps up most of the night and have a few more inches by morning.

Posted December 16th at 4:12 PM
mike m ( binghamton):

is the snow with the primary low going to move through CNY?

Posted December 16th at 4:19 PM
Mike S (Port Leyden):

Paul: If the winds houl like they say they will, you'll end up with blizzard-like conditions, and schools don't like that. They also want to get to 2008 before using a day, so the supers are in a draw, seeming many districts already have shortened weeks.

I'm hoping the snow stays as hard as it is through 9am tomorrow. It'll give me some plowing to do, and I'd have the day off (cross' fingers)

Posted December 16th at 4:20 PM
Kate:

Utica already had one snow day, but I doubt we will get another. Unless conditions are very bad however. We already have a shortened week, like Mike S. said. So who knows what will happen...

back to weather.

My friend keeps telling me that shes hearing that we're going to get more snow and ice. Any truth to that or is the storm over?

Posted December 16th at 4:23 PM
Rach (NY Mills):

That depends on where she's hearing that from Kate. Mike S, is right...just gonna hope the winds keep up then yeah. Doesn't sound good for me I have to drive back out to Albany, atleast I'm taking the thruway.
Bill; though do you know what I'd might be running in?

Posted December 16th at 4:26 PM
Cindy (ilion):

Well we don't have a shortened week so I would like a snow day tomorrow. MIKE S. can you do something to keep that snow a comin' until about 6am or so, I sure would appreciate it...LOL Off to help hubby snowblow and shovel.

Posted December 16th at 4:27 PM
Bj (Litchfield):

Hello Everyone,
Can anyone tell me if it is goin to get windy tonite?

Posted December 16th at 4:30 PM
Kate:

Aw, be careful Rach!

My friend told me she saw that we were geting more snow and ice online and on the weather channel.

Posted December 16th at 4:30 PM
Rach (NY Mills):

Thank you Kate, I never go by the weather channel...there system is completely different and they don't get in depth on our local area, like NC2 and the one I listen out in Albany.

Posted December 16th at 4:33 PM
Karen~ Westmoreland:

snowing pretty heavy here in Westmoreland

Posted December 16th at 4:35 PM
Denys (East Winfield):

Still snowing here, although not as heavy as it was a little while ago. It's coming in sideways. Temp is still hanging at 22 degrees. Winds are not as calm either. Is this the start of those winds I am hearing about for tonight?

Posted December 16th at 4:36 PM
tim-salisbury:

it has been hammering down all day, no breaks. my neighbor came down with his john deere 3 hrs ago and it has filled all back up. we have about 2 ft and lots of snowmobiles going by. bitter cold too!18 degrees.

Posted December 16th at 4:36 PM
Justin (Whitesboro):

it is still coming down pretty good in whitesboro. im not sure on any kind of totals. the wind has definitely died down from this morning, but its been snowing pretty steady for a good 2 hours now.

Posted December 16th at 4:38 PM
Barb (Lee Center):

I don't know about you guys, but we're getting killed up here right now. It is coming down so hard, you can't see. It has been like this for about two hours now. We have probably picked up a good 3-4" in the since. It is windy up here as well....plow has gone by once today.

Posted December 16th at 4:39 PM
Rach (NY Mills):

Rates on way it looks like 1" per hour...is there a rotation in this low because it looks like it's turning and coming back on New York? Winds are kicking in then...that means if it's west...possible development of LES.

Posted December 16th at 4:41 PM
Mike(Rome):

Very heavy snow in Rome, dropped 1 inch in 20 minutes!

Posted December 16th at 4:45 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

The winds up here have been from the SE to the ENE this afternoon. At this time there out of the E at 8 mph.

Posted December 16th at 4:48 PM
Patty - Whitesboro:

Oh my...pickin up again here at my house but still no wind.

Posted December 16th at 4:49 PM
Jeff (Southern Hills):

Also snowing heavily here in Norwich. Has been for about 5 hours. There is alot of snow out there right now on the rooftop that I can see from the dispatch center. Radar looks nice too!

Posted December 16th at 4:51 PM
Mike S (Port Leyden):

It's calmed down a bit, but radar says it's only for a little while.

COMMENT 400!

Posted December 16th at 4:51 PM
Rach (NY Mills):

I see that, totally opposite must be way of the both lows are set up...have to go the other way to get the potential for LES.

Posted December 16th at 4:52 PM
kelly(Mohawk):

As of right now it is snowing very lightly. I see that other people west of here is getting alot of snow still falling is that headed my way or what we get is all were gonna get.

Posted December 16th at 4:59 PM
Rach (NY Mills):

Has there been a new snow total map came out? or are we to still expect 2" - 4"?

Posted December 16th at 5:02 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

LES is starting to fire on the other Lakes. I would think Ontario should start after midnight

Posted December 16th at 5:05 PM
randy Vitullo:

Nine inches in Holland Patent as of 5 o'clock. The nine inches includes the sleet. I have been grooming all day (ski trails). It is still snowing moderately in Holland Patent.

Posted December 16th at 5:07 PM
Tony - CNYWeather.com (Westmoreland):

snowing moderately here in this part of Westmoreland. We gonna end up with a Wind Advisory here also? See the barometer is starting to bottom out. CNYWeather.com

Posted December 16th at 5:08 PM
Rach (NY Mills):

Becky, where do you see that?

Posted December 16th at 5:09 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

Rach.... http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/radar/index_e.html?id=ONT

Posted December 16th at 5:12 PM
Cindy (ilion):

TONY are we going to end up with the windy conditions here also? It has started to snow harder once again, but I don't think wind is an issue at this point.

Posted December 16th at 5:19 PM
Gordon (Westernville):

Snow totals for NorthWestern. Up until 8 AM when the dry slot moved in I picked up 6.1" of snow and sleet. Since it started to sleet again at 12:15 PM, and turned to snow about 1 PM I picked up another 3.4" of snow as of 5 PM.. Total for the storm through 5 PM is 9.5"

Posted December 16th at 5:21 PM
Bill Kardas:

New snowfall map being uploaded now...

Posted December 16th at 5:22 PM
Anthony:

WKTV team.......any chance for the wrap around to come over the lake and be enhanced......it seems as though the original Low is stalling and wants to wrap that moisture back in here later....... any comments?

Posted December 16th at 5:24 PM
Mike S (Port Leyden):

But isn't the original low also weakening and transferring it's energy to the new one?

Posted December 16th at 5:25 PM
Bill Kardas:

Click here for latest snowfall map

Posted December 16th at 5:26 PM
Anthony:

The radar seems to be filling in in WNY and heading toward CNY....Becky I agree with you, Ontario should start to fire around midnight...... also, I think once it gets going with all the lift around it will be in high gear.....let's hope it sets up over Oneida cty

Posted December 16th at 5:28 PM
Gordon (Northwestern):

Mel (Westernville) How far up Quaker Hill Rd. do you live? I live just north of you (last house on Beckwith Rd). I though you had to be close. Our rain & snow totals are always very close to each others.

Posted December 16th at 5:29 PM
Anthony:

Bill, isn't that the same map as earlier?

Posted December 16th at 5:29 PM
Mike S (Port Leyden):

I think wrap around will give us the 2-4" that Bill's predicting. Lake enchanment would be where he has the blue, I'd figure.

Posted December 16th at 5:30 PM
Bill Kardas:

Round two of this snow could be worse than the initial round we had late last night... Expect this to go all night, lightening up from time to time...2-4" on top of what you have now is possible, with locally higher amounts in the Tug and Western Oneida. This one is not done yet...

Posted December 16th at 5:30 PM
Mike S (Port Leyden):

I love those "it could be worse" words. 3 hours until next official measurement comes in from here. I'm thinking about getting my Krispy Kreme coffee (my day off coffee) already to go tomorrow.

Posted December 16th at 5:31 PM
Kaitlyn:

Don't get mad, but is Utica in the 2-4 part or trace-2 part?

Posted December 16th at 5:32 PM
Rach (NY Mills):

Thanks Becky...
This doesn't sound good...hope the winds just hold up and it sticks to it's other points of what it wants to do, I don't want to drive in white - out conditions later on.

Posted December 16th at 5:33 PM
Jeff (Southern Hills):

What timeframe does that cover Bill?? I have gotten 4 inches in the last 3 hours here. And its snowing hard right now??? Trace - 2 seems low for that.....

Posted December 16th at 5:33 PM
Bill Kardas:

Mike, I think you'll do better than that. It's possible you could pick up another 4-6" tonight. We'll see.

Posted December 16th at 5:34 PM
Rach (NY Mills):

Utica is in the Trace - 2" part Kaitlyn!

Posted December 16th at 5:36 PM
Rach (NY Mills):

Utica is in the Trace - 2" part Kaitlyn!

Posted December 16th at 5:36 PM
mike m ( binghamton):

jeff, your heavy snow is about to come to an end, but could fill in later.. i have to work 6-930...hopefully when i come home the radar will be lighting up!!!

Posted December 16th at 5:38 PM
Rach (NY Mills):

Not sure why it doubled that twice, sorry though
Kaitlyn actually that looks borderlined on where Utica stands on the map.

Posted December 16th at 5:39 PM
Andy Artessa (Forestport):

I recievd 4.5 inches since 3 o'clock, if it snows all night it should be interesting to see the outcome daylight tomorrow.

Posted December 16th at 5:42 PM
Mike(Rome):

So it's supposed to snow all night? Hopefully a snowday tomorrow!

Posted December 16th at 5:43 PM
Bill Kardas:

Yeah that's not the right map. My apologies...

Posted December 16th at 5:44 PM
Rach (NY Mills):

Wait, should it be less, the LES is more likely develop and stay towards Oswego? According dryslot unless that went away?

Posted December 16th at 5:46 PM
Bill Kardas:

Folks, calm down! That's not the right snowfall map. I'll fix it in a minute.

Posted December 16th at 5:47 PM
Ryan:

The whole storm had been wrong ... here in mohawk its snowing hard and looks like its gonna continue....

Posted December 16th at 5:51 PM
Bill Kardas:

Sorry about that folks....the first map we had had the wrong layers built in on it. I'm still learning this new system.

Posted December 16th at 5:52 PM
Rach (NY Mills):

It's alright Bill, I understand!

Posted December 16th at 5:53 PM
Jeff (Southern Hills):

That is ok Bill, you still rock!

Posted December 16th at 5:53 PM
MJ (Trenton):

Looks like its starting to thin out on the radar.
Hopefully doesn't take too long for lake to fire up.

Posted December 16th at 6:00 PM
Rach (NY Mills):

+SN starting after 11pm this evening
- 17Z a change to IP until about 20Z
- 20Z to 22Z a change bact to +SN
- then a gradual tapering off of the SN after 6Z Mon
- then the LES kicks in with ample synoptic moisture to work with but with a NW to at times a NNW flow will limit accumulations!!

looks like we may have two more weather events according to the GFS to deal with soon. Hard to believe same time line as this week. Thur/Fri and Sun/Mon again. It appears Thur/Fri may be a mess since temps are pretty high, but late weekend system may be very interesting if everything comes together. Not gonna get to for into this, just don't want to confuse people.

Posted December 16th at 6:02 PM
Amy(Piseco):

We now have a total of 10.5 inches and it is snowing hard still. I would suspect that if it keeps snowing this hard we will end up with 6 more inches? They have started delaying our schools already for tomorrow.

Posted December 16th at 6:02 PM
Cindy (ilion):

TONY Thanks for that, greatly appreciated. It is snowing pretty hard here right now with some HUGE flakes. I'm hoping this kkeps up as I SO need a snow day. I have TONS of Christmas cookies to make and only 9 days to do it.

Posted December 16th at 6:07 PM
Tony - CNYWeather.com (Westmoreland):

N/P Cindy. I added all the adjacent counties to the advisories page now. Enjoy!

Posted December 16th at 6:11 PM
Bill Kardas:

This is amazing...

Posted December 16th at 6:14 PM
Matt(Marcy):

I was snowblowing and i went down the driveway and when i came back there was a HALF AN INCH OF SNOW there already

Posted December 16th at 6:17 PM
Rach (NY Mills):

Bill, what is amazing?
Oh great, no travel! still have too :(

Posted December 16th at 6:17 PM
Ken (South Utica - Hillcrest Manor):

Bill what is amazing....it has been snowing really heavy since about 2 here so far today as well

Posted December 16th at 6:18 PM
Rach (NY Mills):

Oh wait, you just said it about the back end of the storm.

Posted December 16th at 6:18 PM
Bill Kardas:

It's amazing how much snow we can crank out from the back end of this one. We're going to get more on the back side than from the main storm itself!

Posted December 16th at 6:20 PM
Marj (Remsen ):

We have gotten about 4 inches of snow in the past 3 hours. About how much more can we expect tonight? Also why won't the live dopplar load only getting a still pic.

Posted December 16th at 6:21 PM
Sarah (South Utica):

Yea!!!!

Posted December 16th at 6:22 PM
kelly(Mohawk):

Bill is this for southern herkimer county too or just for the north country.

Posted December 16th at 6:23 PM
Rach (NY Mills):

Is it, getting fire up by the up coming LES forming and that other LOW that dying off then the new LOW is firing the main storm?

Posted December 16th at 6:24 PM
Teri (deerfield):

Actually, I think Matt Lanza called it that this storm would leave heavy. Good call Matt.

Posted December 16th at 6:27 PM
Matt (HP):

Bill,

So your saying there is more to come? Are you still thinking 3-6? For the Utica Area? And what kind of time frame are we looking at?

Gotta Say you guys are the best! Wouldnt mind seeing Adam post a little more. I feel bad because people dont acknowledge him as much.

Posted December 16th at 6:27 PM
Rach (NY Mills):

I don't know, but out of this main storm sounds like were gonna get alot out of it, than the actual LES on the way. 3" - 6" then how much might be out of the LES? Bill but like I stated above the LES kicks in with ample synoptic moisture to work with but with a NW to at times a NNW flow will limit accumulations!

Posted December 16th at 6:30 PM
Ken (South Utica - Hillcrest Manor):

wanted to pass along a total for south utica....as of 6:30 we have picked up 9 inches and snowing moderately still as well.

Posted December 16th at 6:35 PM
Jeff (Southern Hills):

Radar starting to fill back in the West of Chenango county. Looks like the last two-three frames there is definate area filling in.

Posted December 16th at 6:37 PM
Kim (Otter Lake):

I'm commuting from Otter Lake to Utica at 5:30 a.m. tomorrow morning. I'm interested in what the travel conditions will be like at that time--should I be prepared for heavy snow or is the bulk of it going to hit tonight?

Posted December 16th at 6:38 PM
Laura (Paris Hill):

Don't know what the valleys are like but have picked up six inches of snow since 2:30 PM. And it is still coming down. Way more snow/sleet then we got last night/this AM. If the winds pick back up it could be a mess.

Posted December 16th at 6:39 PM
Bill Kardas:

One more thought before I get some dinner: in this type of setting, information becomes very congested and confusing. I'll try and clear things up with that map I made for tonight: 3"-6" of snow is possible for the remainder of the night...from the time I made that map (6pm) to tomorrow morning. Most of that will accumulate before midnight. This forecast is hard...I'm thinking that some of that should backfill with lake moisture playing a roll.

Posted December 16th at 6:49 PM
Andy Artessa (Forestport):

I must have Eake Enhancement about 6 inches since 3

Posted December 16th at 6:52 PM
Chris from Canajoharie:

We have picked up around 7 inches last night into early morning on Sunday......from 1-6pm, we picked an additional 2 inches to make 9 around 9 inches total. Not much in terms of wind here............anyone else experencing white-out conditions or snow drifting.

Posted December 16th at 6:54 PM
Cindy (Ilion):

WOW did we blow away (no pun intended) the blog record.

Posted December 16th at 7:09 PM
Ron - Marcy:

Kim in Otter Lake, you should expect roads to be bad. Plows don't really clean up Rt. 12 until after rush hour.
Should be OK by 9:00 I would think. Assuming it snows overnight.

Posted December 16th at 7:10 PM
Rach (NY Mills):

1/2 hour the Lake Effect should start forming in Lake Ontario outside of Oswego, since there is alot of moisture, so it's gonna work on that good.

Posted December 16th at 7:14 PM
Teri (deerfield):

Hey take it to 500!

Posted December 16th at 7:28 PM
Jules (Ilion):

9 inches at Ilion temp 25f at 7:30pm

Posted December 16th at 7:29 PM
Chris:

Wow... has anyone started to close down for tomorrow yet?

Posted December 16th at 7:29 PM
Sandy (Deerfield):

It seems that another 3-6 inches for tonight seems rather moderate, with the rate it coming down now. Will there be a chance the totals will be upped or are we getting near the end of the snowfall?

Posted December 16th at 7:31 PM
Patty - Whitesboro:

Still snowing lightly here (sunset manor). Looks like 5-6" total since yesterday.
Hubby's snow blowing for the second time today. Overall...not too bad in my area.Plows have been by twice today staying on top of clean up.

Posted December 16th at 7:37 PM
Mike(Rome):

The snow has stopped here in Rome.

Posted December 16th at 7:38 PM
Cindy (Ilion):

It is barely snowing here, really have to look hard to see a snowflake. Are we all done?

Posted December 16th at 7:40 PM
heather(german flatts):

stopped snowing here thruway must be pretty clean they've sped up alittle plows on 5s been by once or twice..

Posted December 16th at 7:40 PM
MJ (Trenton):

Just went out, 5"-6" since I plowed at 1:00 this afternoon. Makes total about 10".

Posted December 16th at 7:41 PM
MJ (Trenton):

Still coming, light to moderate.
Anyone see the LES hitting southern PA?

Posted December 16th at 7:44 PM
Rach (NY Mills):

Yep, hitting Harrisburg, PA
Then there is a Lake Erie band hitting Cleveland, OH.

Posted December 16th at 7:46 PM
Ryan:

Snowing lightly in Sauquoit....about 8 inches of snow

Posted December 16th at 7:46 PM
Mike(Rome):

Is the snow done?

Posted December 16th at 7:49 PM
Rob(whitesboro):

So far 8" here since 10pm lastnight.

Posted December 16th at 7:51 PM
mike m ( binghamton):

heavy snow redeveloping off finger lakes..if we can keep this going me and jeff should do very good tonight...conservative would be 2-5 more..possibly up to 10 inches locally. bill will the wind go NNW tonight?

Posted December 16th at 7:57 PM
gail:

is the wind gonna blow tonight

Posted December 16th at 8:04 PM
mike m ( binghamton):

ive picked up 1.5 inches of fluff since 6pm, snowing hard and windy.

Posted December 16th at 8:15 PM
kelly:

Bill is it still gonna snow here tonight or is it all done now for herkimer county?

Posted December 16th at 8:19 PM
Allen (Sauquoit):

What do you guys think about commute tomorrow morning..blowing and drifting of snow? Windy..or is it too early to tell?

Posted December 16th at 8:20 PM
kelly:

Southern Herkimer County

Posted December 16th at 8:20 PM
mike m ( binghamton):

allen, probably pretty bad...winds gusting to 30-40 with snow likely still falling

Posted December 16th at 8:22 PM
Allen (Sauquoit):

Wonderful..maybe I won't have classes tomorrow..especially around here with all of the hill tops! I'm praying..haha..how's it down there mike?

Posted December 16th at 8:24 PM
Amy(Piseco):

we are up to 12 inches. They have delayed our schools already for Tomorrow!

Posted December 16th at 8:25 PM
Rob(whitesboro):

Lake moisture is picking up now.Winds should also start to crank in the next hour or so.

Posted December 16th at 8:26 PM
Anthony (N. Marcy):

Picked up 5.5" from 2pm - 7pm today....brings snow total up to 12.5".....light to moderate snow falling currently.......hopefully we can crank the lake tonight/ tomorrow......also I have seen the warning has been extended till noon tomorrow.

Posted December 16th at 8:30 PM
Trista (Fly Creek Skywatcher):

WOW!!! What a awesome day we have had here in Fly Creek.. We started up with snow around Midnight last night, then it changed over to sleet, and then at 430 this morning it was freezing raining, then it changed back to sleet,then to snow, then back to sleet, then back to snow... This morning, I didn't think we had much snow maybe 4 inches, but tonight, WOW, I can't believe how much we have.. We have about 10 inches.. Its going to be more also, its snowing like crazy out now.. The DOT here today have sucked totally doing their job, They have only plowed the roads onces today.. Can you believe that, and that was at 6 this morning... We have at least 6 inches in the road alone.. They really need to get their head out of their butts, and do some better work.. If there is school tomrorow, and the roads aren't plowed, boy will there be trouble to hit the fan.. Great Job WKTV keeping us updated with what is going on and what we should expect out of this storm.. Anyone here if we will be getting another next weekend, they said maybe on Christmas eve into Christmas day?? Trails open here on Wednesday if anyone is interested... Ill keep you all updated throughout tonight and into tomorrow morning with snow totals and everything... Have fun playing in the snow..

Posted December 16th at 8:32 PM
Dom-Tech:

How much snow do you guys need? I think 10" will work.

Posted December 16th at 8:33 PM
SteveH (Tully):

What a difference an hour makes! I was snowblowing about 7PM and the winds were calm...just a light snow falling. Then went out for a walk with the dog about an hour later. Blowing at about 10MPH with gusts 20-30MPH and moderate to heavy snow. Glad I got the driveway done early.

Oh by the way, we have about 12-14" of snowcover. Approximately 7" of that was from overnight and today. 2-3" of sleet/snow/ice mix and the rest the good stuff.

The barometer bottomed out at 29.1 at 6:30PM. Not sure how that centers the low, bu I know we were pretty close to the center here 20 mi south of Syracuse

The temperature dropped from 32F to 24 in the last hour. Those winds on the backside of the low are really ushering in the cold air.

Posted December 16th at 8:34 PM
Jeff (Southern Hills):

Its a good thing I didn't do a through job of snowplowing today since I am going to have to do it all over again tom!!!

Mike starting to snow again up here, not to heavy yet but that radar is looking impressive.

Posted December 16th at 8:34 PM
Rach (NY Mills):

Were not done though, still got the LES which winds will start getting going soon, like Rob in Whitesboro said and I said earlier.
Hoping it don't start until after 9:30, that's when I have to drive back to Albany.

Posted December 16th at 8:35 PM
Mike S (Port Leyden):

Final measurement of the day adds 5" of snow to the storm total, bringing us up to 12".

Posted December 16th at 8:35 PM
Chris (Oriskany Weather Observer):

I have 10" of snow and sleet as of 8pm from the first storm of the season. I have moderate snow falling here and a slight breeze. Winds were stronger earlier in the day. Roads here are snow covered and sloppy with blowing snow occuring to. If I had to travel I won't unless i had to. Waiting to see how much more we get from Lake Ontario tonight and tommorow. I will send in another report in the morning.. Please post my snow total for the WKTV totals.

Posted December 16th at 8:36 PM
Mike S (Port Leyden):

Also worth noting is that I'm .8" from crossing the 3' mark for the season.

Posted December 16th at 8:38 PM
Matt (Clinton):

Coming down at a pretty good clip here.

Posted December 16th at 8:41 PM
mike m ( binghamton):

heavy snow continues down here, jeff you are in a little hole for now, it should fill in soon and last all night..right through probably 10 am tomorrow!!! of course they may be some lulls in snow, but i think we are in one heck of a night. i know we arent suppose to talk about school clsoings since we REALLY cannot predict them accurately...but i just want to say in general they are looking more likely than say they were this afternoon.

Posted December 16th at 8:41 PM
Rach (NY Mills):

Looks like winds are picking up, going West looks like!
Approx. 8" fell here.

Posted December 16th at 8:42 PM
Russ:

winds just starting to pick up here in the hills around poland, omg it's going to be whiteouts around here...

Posted December 16th at 8:43 PM
Allen (Sauquoit):

Mike...do you think that it will be the same around here for us in CNY. The snow sticking around until tomorrow some time?

Posted December 16th at 8:46 PM
Mike S (Port Leyden):

Once we get going once more up here, and the wind starts going, we'll probably be joining you southerners.
Also of note on the school closings front, Carthage (15 miles ESE of Watertown) is closed for tomorrow with no notes noted.

Posted December 16th at 8:47 PM
Rach (NY Mills):

Currently white out conditions, visibility approx 2/4 a mile.

Posted December 16th at 8:50 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

were getting a light snow here. We have picked up a total of seven inches this afternoon and tonight. our storm total is 16 inches. winds are out of the NW at 16 mph.

Posted December 16th at 8:52 PM
mike m ( binghamton):

matt, bill, is this snow band going to stay over binghamton or are wind shifting more to west? i thought winds were going to stay NW tonight? allen most of CNY should stay in snow through tomorrow morning.

Posted December 16th at 8:53 PM
Allen (Sauquoit):

When are these winds supposed to kick up to 30 or 40 MPH gusts? Later on tonight I would presume after the low moves further away?

Posted December 16th at 8:54 PM
mike m ( binghamton):

allen, winds are gusting to at least 45 mph here so its only a matter of time...wait where is Sauquoit located?

Posted December 16th at 8:57 PM
Allen (Sauquoit):

About 7 miles south of Utica

Posted December 16th at 9:01 PM
mike m ( binghamton):

o ok, you are going to gett nailed soon if not already.

Posted December 16th at 9:03 PM
heather (german flatts):

light snow falling again plows up and down thruway like mad but 5s different story. see like maybe 4 since 9 am and german flatts plow a couple times. wind picking up too had to crank up heat the wind goes right through my house.

Posted December 16th at 9:03 PM
Allen (Sauquoit):

Nailed with snow or wind? Hopefully both..and it stays that way all night!

Posted December 16th at 9:03 PM
Ryan(sauquoit):

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Posted December 16th at 9:08 PM
Ryan(sauquoit):

Sorry about the previous comment, just wondering is it snowing hard in Utica

Posted December 16th at 9:09 PM
mike m ( binghamton):

both...but now im wondering what this snow is doing it is continueing to shift east and is becoming detached from the lake...i thought winds were going to stay NW!!??

Posted December 16th at 9:10 PM
Rach (NY Mills):

It looks like it's shifting east, but shifting south down towards BGM and PA.

Posted December 16th at 9:13 PM
Jim in North Utica near Schuyler Line:

Plenty of snowing but not much blowing right now here, about 7 inches since 2 this afternoon when I last cleaned out the driveway. Showing no signs of stopping, especially on radar. BIG KUDOS to this blog and the W2 Crew, over 500 posts. If you would like to compare, that one at the tv station out in the bigger city 50 miles west of us has about 40 posts since last night, it bites. This is proven testament that this blog and the WKTV crew are the top of the line around here, noone even comes close. Great work everyone!

Posted December 16th at 9:15 PM
Allen (Sauquoit):

At this point it's hard to tell..this has been one heck of an afternoon...I hope it all continues though the night and into the day tomorrow with lots of wind. It will ensure the S-Day that all the kids want! If you're driving anywhere tonight be careful..i'll keep checking back!

Posted December 16th at 9:16 PM
Rach (NY Mills):

Northwest? that way it should be...looks like Southeast though, because that snow is placing it's self from the Lake...

Posted December 16th at 9:16 PM
Allen (Sauquoit):

Patients..it will all fall into place..like it's supposed to.....hopefully :-P

Posted December 16th at 9:17 PM
Patty - Whitesboro:

Winds picking up in Whitesboro...

Posted December 16th at 9:20 PM
James (Sauquoit):

Mike M: How long before you estimate we get nailed?

Posted December 16th at 9:23 PM
Paul (utica:

NWS issued a short term forcast stating lake effect will cover the area and give 1-3" by 1AM. It does not look like they have issued an LES warning for Oneida county yet, and the Winter storm warning still is until only Noon.

Posted December 16th at 9:24 PM
Roger(Springfield Center):

snowing at a pretty good clip at the moment. additional 2-3 inches here since 4pm now the wind is picking up. Should make for white out conditions in some locations around

Posted December 16th at 9:24 PM
Allen (Sauquoit):

James: It seems as we are going to get it all night..snow and wind. Hoping for the super to close school tomorrow!

Posted December 16th at 9:25 PM
Dan (Paris):

Rach, I don't know if this helps, but meteorologists describe a wind from wheres its from, not where it is headed. A north west wind is heading to the south east. If you knew that then I apologize, just trying to help with the confusion. Snowing and very windy up here near Paris Hill.

Posted December 16th at 9:25 PM
Rach (NY Mills):

I actually think it's moving along with the LOW, then the LES will come into effect around 11 after or so when the real winds officially pick up on it. Currently the Winds are out of the West at 19mph.
An I'm about to leave to Albany :( doesn't look bad out towards that way, but that always could be wrong.

Posted December 16th at 9:26 PM
Allen (Sauquoit):

Dan: Hoping that it will stay like that up on the hills for the morning tomorrow..it's pretty nasty down here in the valley at the bottom of the hill too. We'll have to see what happens!

Posted December 16th at 9:27 PM
Jeff (Southern Hills):

Very snowy and Very Windy here in Chenango County, I believe we are seriously going to end up with a foot by the time the snow ends.

Posted December 16th at 9:28 PM
Cindy (Ilion):

WOW I just looked out the window and it is once again snowing pretty hard and the wind is blowing the snow big time right now. it is like all of a sudden. What a great blog this has been the past 24 hours!!

Posted December 16th at 9:28 PM
Rach (NY Mills):

Thank you Dan, it's alright. Yeah I did knew that...great for a review there.

Posted December 16th at 9:28 PM
Denys (East Winfield):

It's snowing heavily again. And, the wind is unbelievable! Sounds like a freight train again!

Posted December 16th at 9:44 PM
Cindy (Ilion):

There are white out conditions here right now. It is unbelievable how the wind has picked up and how fast it has gotten SO bad with the snow and the wind.

Posted December 16th at 9:46 PM
mike m ( binghamton):

rach i agree, however LES is taking over across the finger lakes now on a WNW to NW flow( about 300 degrees?)jeff me and you both should get nailed overnight..of course i will probably see less than you, i would say 5-10 for you (locally 1 foot) with 3-8 for me. drifting snow becoming a real problem down here, drifts are upwards of 1 foot on sides of road.

Posted December 16th at 9:47 PM
Allen (Sauquoit):

Do you guys have an idea where this LES will track? Are we likely to see any here in CNY?

Posted December 16th at 9:53 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

Were getting a lot of drifting up here, at this time its snowing lightly. LES is showing on Superior, Huron and Georgian Bay. Huron has quite a bit SE of the Lake. Ontario should start as soon as the low moves a little more to the east.

Posted December 16th at 9:53 PM
Mike (Herkimer):

Snow and windy conditions here. Radar seems to show steady snow for awhile in this area. Wish I had won that snowblower!

Posted December 16th at 9:55 PM
Fred - Deerfield:

Heather, you mentioned 5S not plowed much?
Don't want to turn this weather blog into a state worker bashing, but seems terrible so far this year.
If we get snow at night, still on Rt. 12 at 7:30 when Im coming into Utica. Most roads around Utica are clear when Deerfield hill is terrible. Afternoon is usually pretty good, but state doesn't seem to touch the hill in the early morning. Maybe they should watch this site, thne they'll know when to expect snow

Posted December 16th at 9:57 PM
Bob (Cooperstown):

Heavy Snow and gusty winds here Just did the driveway and had to start over it was snowing so hard.

Posted December 16th at 10:01 PM
heather(german flatts):

im not bashing anyone i just said they aint been around much this is a long stretch i live on and just aint seen very many today sorry please noone take offence just warning anyone traveling 5s between herkimer and little falls becareful thats all

Posted December 16th at 10:03 PM
Fred - Deerfield:

Heather, sorry, didn't mean to put words in your mouth.
I'm not trying to bash anyone either (except maybe the guy whos supposed to plow Deerfield Hill in the morning)

Posted December 16th at 10:09 PM
Paul (Utica):

On the radar it looks like the band of snow is condensing and becoming much smaller.

Posted December 16th at 10:10 PM
mike m ( binghamton):

i understand NWS has winter storm warnings on going for onondaga, madison and oneida, but perhaps they should change them to LES warnings and expand further south into cortland , chenango ,otsego and tompkins couties(for 6-12 additional inches), then put advisories up for broome, tioga(4-8"),chemung and susquehanna counties(2-6").

Posted December 16th at 10:11 PM
Allen (Sauquoit):

Mike: These warnings should still be up in Oneida county right? I mean the wind is terrible here..and once these lake bands kick in it's going to get even worse..I agree you guys need something down there..it seems as you are going to get lots of snow too!

Posted December 16th at 10:13 PM
mike m ( binghamton):

winds are strong and therefore should deliver snow showers far from lake shore. we could get some good connections with huron and georgian bay later. matt, bill what are your thoughts?

Posted December 16th at 10:14 PM
Sarah (South Utica):

Very windy here. Is this wind going to keep up through the night?

Posted December 16th at 10:14 PM
Paul (Utica):

Allen: Oneida county still has winter storm warning until noon, but no LES warning. Their short term forcasr as of an hour ago predicted 1-3" by 1AM. I think we'll exceed that without a problem.

Posted December 16th at 10:15 PM
Allen (Sauquoit):

Sarah: Yes these strong winds should persist through tonight gusting strong..and into the day tomorrow..could be tricky travel in the morning..especially if you live on a hilltop. Matt, Bill, what are your thoughts about LES connections with Huron and Georgian Bay?

Posted December 16th at 10:17 PM
Gordon (Northwestern):

Just got back from plowing the driveways again. We have now had 12.4" of snow for the storm as of 10 PM. Probably had a little more than that fall, but to be official you can only measure it ever 8 hours and the snow compact some during that time.

Posted December 16th at 10:20 PM
heather(german flatts):

where can i find weather alerts and warnings besides aolweather that one says weather alert then only gives snow totals under it odd.?

Posted December 16th at 10:22 PM
Jess (NY Mills):

Rachel, my sister said exit 31 Westbound there was a car accident...(car crashed in guard rails) visbility is down to 1/8 a mile.
This storm was very quite interesting...I guess we are making up from what we missed last year. Is that LES w/ Huron and Georgian Bay coming here to New York?

Posted December 16th at 10:23 PM
kenny:

Looking at the radar, this makes me wonder if alot of roads will be closed?

Posted December 16th at 10:23 PM
Mike S (Port Leyden):

Heather: National Weather Service
Hopefully in the 2008 main site upgrades they'll get that there.

Posted December 16th at 10:24 PM
Paul (Utica):

Heather: Here's NWS Binghamton's website http://www.erh.noaa.gov/bgm/
That will show you alerts amd warnings in our area.

Posted December 16th at 10:24 PM
Rob(whitesboro):

Gordon I think your the jackpot so far for the county.Camden came in at 10".I have 8.5" here.

Posted December 16th at 10:26 PM
Matt Lanza:

I can't answer about LES, but based on the latest data, the next 3-6 hours will be the busiest with a gradual decrease in coverage and intensity through tomorrow morning as the storm pulls away...taking some of the good LES conditions with it. There isn't a need for any LES advisories I don't think. BGM wisely kept the Winter Storm Warning in effect for the northern counties because of exactly what's been happening since this afternoon. They essentially verified their warnings because of that. I could see a short fused advisory maybe being issued for Cayuga, Oswego, Onondaga, N Oneida...but since there are already flags up for the winter storm...don't expect many/any changes. Again, I'm not dealing with the forecast.

As an aside, thanks to all for contributing to our coverage of this storm. The reports have been great. We apologize if we ignored a lot of questions, but you just have to realize it's not possible for us to keep up in these situations. But this has helped make our coverage of this storm as good as any of the other "big brother" markets in Upstate NY from Buffalo through Albany. We appreciate this!

Posted December 16th at 10:28 PM
Patty - Whitesboro:

http://forecast.weather.gov

I think thats the whole link? NWS
Give it a try.

Posted December 16th at 10:28 PM
Paul (Utica):

Matt: Thanks for your hard work!! We all appreciate it too!!

Posted December 16th at 10:30 PM
jim:

bill has a new post up

Posted December 16th at 10:37 PM
Terry (Deerfield):

I wish the WKTV entries were a different color.

Posted December 17th at 12:21 AM
MikeD:

Driving home from work on 840 this AM and noticed the surrounding hills were all white kinda like the first snow in the ADKs during Oct.

Posted November 27th at 9:47 AM
snowdaze:

How about the snow TODAY? Any reports on the BIG ONE?

Posted December 19th at 1:31 PM
looneypine:

you keep numbering the storms each week. how many have we had in the last month ? the number should be more than 2# or 3# or 4#

Posted January 5th at 6:01 PM
brocck:

Waht is Saturday night looking like????

Posted February 19th at 8:11 PM
John S in Marcy:

The snowblower contest states:

Only entries received by WKTV or postmarked on the day BEFORE the certified date of the two inch total will be eligible to win

Does that mean as an example, if on Dec 6th, I enter Dec 20th, it will not qualify because “entry was not received the day before (ie Dec 19th”.
Shouldn’t the rule be “must be received BY the day before…”
Theoretically, with your rule, I can only enter today for 2 inch snowfall tomorrow!!

Posted December 6th at 7:38 PM
bob newport.n.y:

is matt lanza back working in the area?

Posted December 19th at 11:55 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

I estimate we picked up 3 1/2 to 4 inches of snow this morning. The big problem is the winds their 18-28 mph with higher gust. highest gust has been 48 mph. blowing show is making driving horrendous.

Posted January 28th at 2:42 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

West Leyden is 6-7 miles WNW of Boonville

Posted January 28th at 2:43 PM
erika maine:

bill kartese went to are school and he rox

Posted January 28th at 6:42 PM
erika maine:

bill kartese went to are school and he rox

Posted January 28th at 6:42 PM
brittany (ilion):

can u tell us how much snow we have already gotten of out this storm?

Posted February 25th at 8:53 PM

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