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Let's try this again.

So we're on the brink of our first winter storm of the season. After our discussion on Friday, it's clear that scenario two won out. This means a lot of problems for us from a forecasting and impact standpoint. I'll get into the timeline and specifics in a bit. First, I want to focus on two areas where this forecast could get messed up.

Temperature

Right now, we're banking on the air being cold enough on the west side of the storm to change rain to snow from the hilltops on down tomorrow afternoon. If the storm track is further east than expected, the cold air arrives sooner and we change over to snow sooner...which could increase accumulation amounts. If the storm track is a little further west, we're looking at slightly warmer air and maybe a later changeover, thus less snowfall. So small changes in the overall weather map could make a major difference n what we actually see.

Precipitation

Simply put, if the zone of heaviest precipitation misses us a little to the east or west, well then we see less precipitation and less snow. But, if the zone of heaviest precipitation ends up over us, then we cool off more rapidly and rain changes to snow sooner and again, you get more snowfall.

Certainties

Here's what we do know. It's going to precipitate quite a bit tomorrow, with perhaps an additional 1-3" of "liquid" falling over our area. This is a major system to have on the heels of another one (Saturday's). It will be windy. Winds will increase 10-20 mph from the north tonight and become NNW 15-30 mph tomorrow, with higher gusts on hilltops. Someone is going to get a significant dose of snow for October. Whether it's the Adirondacks, the hilltops north of Utica or elsewhere, someone is going to get hit awfully hard by this, given how early in the year it is. Lake effect snow is going to be another beast entirely behind this storm and could be quite significant. There WILL be an elevation discrepancy during this event that may be even more drastic than we see in spring storms. Elevations above 1,000 feet are going to experience a drastically different series of events than areas below 1,000 feet. Looking for your elevation? As Mike S pointed out, Google maps terrain maps are great. Go to maps.google.com and click on "Terrain" at the top right of the map. You can zoom into your town and see the elevation contours, even down to your street. A big help.

There is a LOT of uncertainty regarding this storm even now. Why? Because there isn't much precedence for it. We simply don't have a record of many October snowstorms...and we don't have much to go off of here, so we are in uncharted territory...as this will be a stronger storm than some of the previous October events, but it will also track further west.

Let's do the timeline.

Tonight

Rain is already developing ahead of schedule. Temperatures have edged back into the 40s. Rain will continue periodically overnight. It's possible that some hilltops south and west of Utica begin mixing with some snow toward daybreak...with little to no accumulation.

Tuesday Morning

Rain will continue steadily at times. Rain will begin to mix with or even change over to snow south and west of Utica (S Onondaga/Madison/Chenango perhaps), primarily above 1,000 feet in elevation. Through Noon, that area of mixing should slowly slide eastward down Route 20 so that by Noon, it should be raining in most valleys and falling as mixed snow/rain above 1,000 feet in elevation...south of Rt 20. High Adirondack locations will be mostly/all snow by Midday. Some of the lower Adirondack valleys will stay rain though.

Tuesday Afternoon

Here's where the fun begins. Rain will changeover to snow as the precipitation begins to fall heavily at times after 1-2 PM. This will be mainly true on hilltops south and west of Utica, but as we go deeper into the afternoon, the change over may begin to occur in valleys southwest of Utica, as well as on hilltops in and around the Mohawk Valley....so that by evening, just about everyone in the area will have flipped over to snow. Accumulations by sunset will be on the order of an inch or so in and around the Mohawk Valley, where the snow is steadiest. On hilltops south of Utica, the Tug Hill and Adirondacks, 2-4" is expected by sunset.

Tuesday Night

Snow will fall heavily at times during the evening hours (before Midnight). Most of the accumulating snow will occur here. Snow will taper off in most places after Midnight, with the exception of western Oneida and perhaps the Tug Hill or hilltops southwest of Utica, depending on how the lake snows set up. Snow accumulation will occur more rapidly after dark as well and should begin accumulating on roadways and sidewalks as well. The lake effect will be addressed later.

Totals

When all is said and done (at least through Wednesday morning), this is what we expect:

As we note every season, we can't take responsibility for or explain anyone else's forecast, except maybe the National Weather Service's. This is our forecast based on the best information we have here. If you want to look elsewhere, again, we can't explain why they say what they do. This storm will be enough of a challenge that multiple places may have multiple interpretations of the same information and will be different. Again, these are our thoughts.

This is a very conservative forecast. There is definitely the potential for any of these amounts to be higher. But given that it's the first snow of the year, the ground is still warm, and there are still a lot of uncertainties in this forecast, I have purposely decided to keep these amounts lower than I otherwise would have gone. There can and will be adjustments made to this forecast on the fly, but there's the first real call.

Wind

Wind will be an issue. A number of factors will ultimately decide how serious the wind is: How much snow falls on trees, how many leaves are on the trees, how strong the winds are, etc. 30-40 mph wind gusts are possible on hilltops. There may be less wind in the colder air than further east of here. So even this may be a question mark. The good news is that the amount of downed trees and power outages will be mitigated by the fact that a lot of the leaves are gone. Saturday's wind event actually did us a lot of good by de-leafing a lot of the trees in our area. That makes a huge difference.

The bottom line. Stay tuned. We need your observations and reports, so please post them from all over the area, as it will be a big help to us trying to piece together how this thing is unfolding.

Tags: lake effect, rain, wind, winter storm, autumn, snow

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Ryan S. (Sauquoit):

Alright i am confused will it be bad at all on Wednesda?. How much am i looking for in Sauquoit i‘m about 1400 ft. Any help is appreciated

Posted October 27th at 8:53 PM
kelly :

I was all excited about this now the valley is only looking at a couple of inches that suxs

Posted October 27th at 8:54 PM
Matt Lanza (Utica):

Ryan: I‘m not touching Wednesday until tomorrow. There will be snow around…I‘m just not sure how widespread it‘ll be.

Kelly: Don‘t be disappointed. Things could still change. Remember, this is just our initial call and as I said, there‘s a lot of variables in this storm…so lots to consider.

Posted October 27th at 9:01 PM
pattyk_whitesboro:

yee…haaaa.so glad i work from home running a day care. i can just watch the weather and cuddle with the children.
i live at the top of woods road just past hidden valley golf course…not having great luck with the elevation map (maybe i‘m just an idiot). i did zoom in as far as i could but the closest lines indicating elevation were over by postal road in oriskany and they said like 600’. i believe i may be a little higher?

Posted October 27th at 9:04 PM
Ryan S. (Sauquoit):

Thanks Matt, just hoping for enough snow to make a good shoveling day :)

Posted October 27th at 9:07 PM
Mike S (Port Leyden):

Parry K: That means you‘re in a flat area. The interval for the lines is something like 75’ zoomed in all the way. If the closest is 600’, then you‘re within 600-675.

Posted October 27th at 9:15 PM
Jeff H (Sherburne Hills):

Well looks like I might have lots of fun tom at work!!! Everyone forgets how to drive when the first snow hits!!

Posted October 27th at 9:17 PM
pattyk_whitesboro:

Good to know. thank you mike s (port leyden)

Posted October 27th at 9:18 PM
Ryan S. (Sauquoit):

Hey Mike S…...how much snow do you say ill get here in Sauquoit im something like 1150 elevation?

Posted October 27th at 9:22 PM
Mike S (Port Leyden):

Ryan:
Notice: This forecast is in no way affiliated, compiled by, or have had any part taken in part of by WKTV. WKTV is not responsible for the accuracy of this forecast, and no guarantees are implied
Hard to say. I like what Matt has right now for tomorrow. If you watch the video instead of North Country / South he has >1000’ and <1000’. For going out until Wednesday, lake effect is a possibility, but I‘m not totally sure on the wind direction or if it‘ll even make it that far from the lake. At the end of the week I‘ll go with 4-8” for you.

Posted October 27th at 9:28 PM
Ryan S. (Sauquoit):

ALright thanks a lot….Thanks for the help everyone who contributed

Posted October 27th at 9:37 PM
Justin (Whitesboro):

Just took a look at the latest NAM model for 0z and it is bringing the low right on the NY/Mass border and puts quite a bit of precip over cny. would this gives us more snow if this model is correct?

Posted October 27th at 9:52 PM
RJL:

I have this strange feeling that the Lake Snow may add a much greater amount of snow for New Hartford area on Wednesday morning.

Posted October 27th at 10:06 PM
Rob (Whitesboro):

PattyK I‘m right past the Golf Course as well.My GPS reads 650ft up here.

Posted October 27th at 10:20 PM
Mike(Leonardsville):

I‘m a shade over 1,200 feet which means I may get hit hard.

Posted October 27th at 10:22 PM
NH Snow Fan:

BRING IT ON!!!! I hope we get several inches here in New Hartford. I love it!!!!

Posted October 27th at 10:24 PM
Rob (Whitesboro):

Looks like the NAM came down in precip a bit(which was rediculous anyways).The only other change I can see is that it‘s not showing any strong bands any more coming off the lake like in previous runs.

Posted October 27th at 10:30 PM
jmur (Whitesboro):

im kinda excited for an early snow system :)

Posted October 27th at 10:38 PM
Rob (Whitesboro):

Well I did some comparing and it seems theres a more northerly componet to the wind.This wouldn‘t shut off the lake effect by any means but it would shift it further SW a bit resulting in a weaker fetch thus less intense than it could be.

Posted October 27th at 10:47 PM
Jimmy (New Hartford):

I did a little bit of research and the earliest significant October snowfall in upstate New York that I could find was early October 1987. This was a big event for eastern New York espeacially on the hilltops. 43 and steadilly dropping here.

Posted October 27th at 10:54 PM
Jimmy (New Hartford):

I did a little bit of research and the earliest significant October snowfall in upstate New York that I could find was early October 1987. This was a big event for eastern New York espeacially on the hilltops. 43 and steadilly dropping here.

Posted October 27th at 10:55 PM
Jimmy (New Hartford):

I did a little bit of research and the earliest significant October snowfall in upstate New York that I could find was early October 1987. This was a big event for eastern New York espeacially on the hilltops. 43 and steadilly dropping here.

Posted October 27th at 10:55 PM
Jimmy (New Hartford):

I have absolutely no idea why it did that but sorry.

Posted October 27th at 10:56 PM
Matt Lanza (Utica):

Jimmy: Don‘t worry…everyone is having some issues with multiposts.

Very much of note….Suffolk, VA (which is practically on the coast) is reporting a mix of rain and snow tonight. That is unprecedented, so you see what we‘re up against here.

Posted October 27th at 11:08 PM
Rob (Whitesboro):

I just looked at several radars and it seems that a good chunk of Hamilton County has turned over to snow.Parts of Delaware and Otsego is showing some mixing as well.

Posted October 27th at 11:14 PM
Matt S. (Deerfield):

I hate snow, I hope we don‘t get much.

Posted October 27th at 11:18 PM
RJL ( New Hartford ):

What Radar are you using for the white stuff? Thanks

Posted October 27th at 11:20 PM
Rob (Whitesboro):

RJL at look at several and make an average out of them.I don‘t know what ones are better.This is making sense though as Indian Lake and Long Lake are 36/37 degrees.

Posted October 27th at 11:26 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

Rob: I saw that, If the winds stay like that the snow amounts will be a lot less.

Posted October 27th at 11:29 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

I‘ve been waiting a few days for my link jam account info to be e-mailed. Anyone have any idea how long the process is suppose to take.

Posted October 27th at 11:40 PM
Rob (Whitesboro):

Becky I never got one either.I think Matt can register you right from WKTV.The trend on the final model runs were to bring the storm a little more to the east.Synoptically this could bring in the colder air a little bit sooner for some.As far as lake effect…the flow would be 290/300 behind the storm.A 300 flow wouldn‘t do our immediate area much good.You can still get a decent band on a 290 flow so we‘ll see what happens.My total snowfall guess for Utica is 8.0” by Thursday morning

Posted October 28th at 12:10 AM
Becky (West Leyden):

Thanks rob: A 290 I can deal with. Its the 270 to 280 that wouldn‘t be good this early. (power would be out for days)

Posted October 28th at 12:22 AM
smitty (sauquoit):

matt lanza i am wondering what my total accumulations are gonna be for sauquoit so let me know if they change cause i am at about 1,200 ft.

Posted October 28th at 12:27 AM
Becky (West Leyden):

If anyone is interested NWS Buffalo as a database for the last 13 years up on there website. It only covers areas Buffalo is responsible for so the Mohawk Valley is not listed….....However, if you want to see the areas east of the lake….. it is still interesting.

Posted October 28th at 12:39 AM
Rob (Whitesboro):

Matt what do the thickness values look like for around here?I‘m just curious at what temp would it be possible for us to start mixing.

Posted October 28th at 12:40 AM
Piseco Lake:

I left Raquette Lake at 11:15 p.m. tonight – 37 degrees and light rain. The rain began to mix with snow at Blue Mountain Lake. Here in Piseco it‘s currenlty 36 degrees with a bit of snow mixing in with the rain. No accumulation yet.

Posted October 28th at 12:48 AM
Michael- (Dolgeville):

39.2 degrees with light rain. Areas in Schoharie county are reporting snow and it is starting to stick at around 2000ft.

Posted October 28th at 12:49 AM
Rob (Whitesboro):

40.3 here with light rain.Dew is at 35.

Posted October 28th at 12:54 AM
Matt Lanza (Utica):

Rob: Based on what I looked at this afternoon, 1000-850 mb thicknesses dipped to about 1285 or so…which is well within range for snow at all levels, by 8 PM tomorrow. The 00Z NAM has them at 1295, which should be snow at all levels. But it‘s a mix up to about 6 or 7 PM.

I may be on my own with this one, but I am going to stick to my guns and not call for more than 4” in the Valley by Wednesday morning. I just briefly looked at NWS‘s point and click forecast for the area and I spit my water out…we‘re completely different from them.

This is the most challenging forecast I‘ve had to wrangle with since December 2007. With elevation events, there is always a major bust potential. This will be a big one for folks high up for sure…it just may not be a big one for folks in the Valley. We‘ll see what happens.

Posted October 28th at 12:55 AM
Becky (West Leyden):

Smitty: I can‘t speak for Matt. The upcoming snowstorm has a lot of variables that have been hard to nail down….. the models have been all over the place….. The data has been and is still changing. The next few days are going to be very difficult to forecast. .....Therefore, the best advice I can give is look at the accumulation map…..find your location….That should give you an idea what your going to get.
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I‘m not speaking for WKTV....That said…....Everyone should remember WKTV can’t give an individual forecast for everyone’s front yard. I know last year they had the policy of no individual forecast. I suppose it will be the same this year. Anyone who wants an individual forecast can sign up for the weather e-mails….. These e-mails can be tailored to your area.

Posted October 28th at 12:57 AM
mike m(oswego0:

snowing at mount pocono, 33 degrees. higher elevations are making the switch and could have 1-3 by morning….

Posted October 28th at 12:59 AM
Matt Lanza (Utica):

Folks one thing I would ask with observations (if you can) is to post your elevation, as that is going to make all the difference in the world. I truly think this is one of those storms where someone at 1,500’ could get a foot of snow, while someone at 800 feet gets 3”. It‘s going to be that kind of storm, so the sooner we know where the snow levels are, the faster we can react forecast-wise. We really appreciate the invaluable observations you provide us with.

Posted October 28th at 1:01 AM
Rob (Whitesboro):

Becky whats going on up there.Looks like some heavy precip.Any flakes mixing in?

Posted October 28th at 1:08 AM
mike m(oswego):

mount pocono is at 1910’

Posted October 28th at 1:11 AM
Becky (West Leyden):

Matt just looked out and there is a little bet of snow starting to mix with the rain…. No accumulation at this time. ...I guess we could have a half inch by morning( Looked at a topo map and my elevation is just over 1700 feet).

Posted October 28th at 1:16 AM
Becky (West Leyden):

Rob: Just a few flakes mixing in at this time.

Posted October 28th at 1:18 AM
Rob (Whitesboro):

34 and snow in Monticello(Sullivan County)Elevation 1500 feet or so.

Posted October 28th at 1:23 AM
Matt Lanza (Utica):

Becky: Thank you!

Posted October 28th at 1:24 AM
mike m(oswego):

i think bgm may go over to snow soon theyre at 38 with a Td of 35 degrees

Posted October 28th at 1:30 AM
Matt Lanza (Utica):

Also saw a report of thunder near Wilkes Barre, PA…wouldn‘t be shocked to see that somewhere late tonight or tomorrow.

Posted October 28th at 1:32 AM
Becky (West Leyden):

The temp here is 35

Posted October 28th at 1:36 AM
Rob (Whitesboro):

I‘m down to 39.5 with a dew of 36.

Posted October 28th at 1:41 AM
Rob (Whitesboro):

Starting to see mixing on the radar in Madison and S. Oneida.Weather station on Paris Hill at 35 degrees.

Posted October 28th at 2:20 AM
Rob (Whitesboro):

Winter storm Warning just issued for all of Herkimer County for 8-16” of snow and wind gust upwards of 55mph.

Posted October 28th at 2:33 AM
mike m(oswego):

binghamton over to snow. 1610 feet

Posted October 28th at 3:18 AM
Michael- (Dolgeville):

36.5 degrees here. Still plain rain. Precip should transition to all snow within an hour or two. Elevation 802 feet.

Posted October 28th at 3:39 AM
Rob (Whitesboro):

Radar indicating heavy snow now on the Tug and parts of Chenango County.Down to 38 degrees here.Rome is at 39 and Paris Hill is at 33.

Posted October 28th at 4:13 AM
Adam Musyt:

Interesting to note that AVP (Scranton, PA) has turned over to snow. They‘ve had precipitation since early last evening and are not terribly high in elevation at 930’ – so it goes to show what dynamic cooling will do given time. We still expect a slow transition to wet snow through the morning on the hilltops and by later this afternoon in the lower spots in and around the Mohawk Valley.

Posted October 28th at 4:49 AM
Mike(Leonardsville):

Snow here at 1,200 feet. Seems like it‘s getting cooler faster than everyone thought.

Posted October 28th at 5:04 AM
Adam Musyt:

Snowing here at WKTV in Deerfield. We‘re at 1200 ft in elevation.

Posted October 28th at 5:27 AM
trista (richfield springs):

33.8 degrees here, The ground is covered, roads are getting nasty, and the trees are hanging very low. Im over 1000’ feet in elevation. Are we gonna get even more snow then what they predicted?

Posted October 28th at 6:00 AM
Adam Musyt:

Trista,

Thanks for the report. I still like the call of 3-7 for now as it does look like the snow will pack as it falls (that will be especially true as long as temps are above freezing) but 6” of glop can be worse than 12” of your garden-variety snowfall.

It‘s not entirely out of the realm of possibility for the higher terrain to overperform our call but we‘re not going to pull the trigger on that unless or until many spots dip below the freezing mark.

Posted October 28th at 6:04 AM
Mike S (Port Leyden):

It‘s certainly waay cooler the farther up you go, and down to the south. 36 here, 34 in Turin.

Need daylight for webcams to be good for anything. I‘ll post from Turin around 8:45.

Posted October 28th at 6:05 AM
Matt (CB):
Went out at 5:45 and it is snowing.Changed over at 5:30.Temp was 34 degrees with a good breeze.Cars have a thin layer of snow as well as porches and leafy surfaces. Snow baby Snow
Posted October 28th at 6:14 AM
Bill (Exeter Center):

Ground is covered here (1800 ft)

Posted October 28th at 6:18 AM
Jeff H (Sherburne Hills):

Good morning all. Just got into work and with the weather I may not be able to update you much today, considering where I work :)! But it is snowing heavily at the house in Sherburne at about 1300’ and it started mixing in at about 2am (I know cause I was out helping the public). Cars and ground were covered with about 1” of snow and the secondary roads were starting to slush up a bit.

Posted October 28th at 6:25 AM
Jeff H (Sherburne Hills):

Rob you are right, in the hills of chenango it is coming down extrememly hard, it is really amazing the difference in intensity of the precip from the lower and higher elevations.

Posted October 28th at 6:28 AM
Mike S (Port Leyden):

Are there any webcams down in that neck of the woods? If anyone wants to see the interestingness of Port Leyden, click here for my webcam. I‘ll be checking it to see how far down the snow has come.

I can hardly wait for it to get up here!

Posted October 28th at 6:31 AM
Brad (Oneonta):

1200 ft here and about 2.5 inches so far here at 6:30 am. Snowing steadily right now. Some schools are closed.

Posted October 28th at 6:35 AM
WINTER (Forestport):

35 degrees It‘s raining but there are a few snowflakes flying around.

Posted October 28th at 6:35 AM
Jeff H (Sherburne Hills):

I don‘t have one, thought about setting up my internet cam into one but not sure if it would hold up outside. I will have the better half while she is home take some pictures today.

Posted October 28th at 6:39 AM
Adam Musyt:

Folks, Thanks for all of the reports. They are VERY helpful in the mornings.

It‘s been helter-skelter here in Deerfield. We had a changeover to snow and then when the precipitation lightened up a bit we went back to rain. Now we are back to a light rain/snow mix. Officially in Rome at Griffiss the temperature is still 40 degrees so it‘s going to take some time for that snow to work its way down to the valley floor. No doubt much of Otsego and Chenango Counties will be tricky this morning. Travelers beware!

Posted October 28th at 6:40 AM
trista (richfield springs):

Im still having problems getting my exact elevation on the google map, If i give you my address is there a way someone can look that up for me?

Posted October 28th at 6:43 AM
Mike S (Port Leyden):

Tista: The Richfield Springs area ranges from 1450’ to 1700’. If you‘re within the area of town, you‘re definitely above the 1000’ mark.

We had some snow for a while, got down to 36.3. When the snow came, we shot up to 36.7 and switched back over. Ugghh.

Posted October 28th at 6:51 AM
Karen (Westmoreland):

I am not sure my elevation however I am located in Westmoreland / Stanwix area and at this time we just have a very cold rain….temp is still about 40.

Posted October 28th at 6:52 AM
trista (richfield springs):

Hey thanks MIke S. Just found it and we are 1713 ft in elevation. I live up in the mountains between richfield springs and cooperstown, Know as Panther Mountain.. Very nasty here, My husband just TXT me, and he said the roads are very very nasty. So just giving everyone a update..

Posted October 28th at 6:55 AM
Jeff H (Sherburne Hills):

My temperature has dropped considerably since midnight, down to 31 degrees. No wonder we are getting such big flakes!!

Posted October 28th at 7:03 AM
Ashley (Port Leyden):

Aghhhhhhh! its snowing Whoot!whoot!<3 that means i can snoboard soon!

Posted October 28th at 7:06 AM
trista (richfield springs):

Holding Steady at 34 degrees . Very windy out there, I wouldn‘t be suprised if we loose power up here.. Ill keep ya posted..

Posted October 28th at 7:17 AM
Piseco Lake:

35 degrees here in Piseco – Elevation 1700. Still a rain/snow mix. Looks like we‘re still on the warm side of this weather event. No snow on the ground yet.

Posted October 28th at 7:17 AM
Tony-CNYWeather.com (Westmoreland):

39 degrees here and a nice cold rain. No hint of snow flakes here yet.

Karen from Westmo, you‘re probably around 550-600 feet there and not too far from me also.

Posted October 28th at 7:39 AM
Laura (Paris Hill):

32 degrees here. Getting a rain/snow mix. Some very light snow on the grass. Should be an interesting day!

Posted October 28th at 7:50 AM
DJ - Paris Hill:

Shanley Road off of RT 12 in Paris Hill is slush covered and grass is starting to turn white.

Posted October 28th at 8:13 AM
WINTER (Forestport):

For those of you who would like to know what your elevation is: In Google type “your town elevation”. Chances are that it will come up with your elevation.

Posted October 28th at 8:16 AM
Adam Musyt:

I just got off the phone with a friend of mine who lives in Gouldsboro, PA (near Mount Pocono and at 2100’). Six inches and counting!

Batten down the hatches, Otsego County :-)

Posted October 28th at 8:30 AM
mommyof3boys (ilion):

well guys i dont know if anyone is keeping up but on my weather bug the nws has issued a winter weather storm warning for the valleys too now here is the warning

... WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT UNTIL 8 AM EDT WEDNESDAY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN ALBANY HAS ISSUED A WINTER STORM WARNING... WHICH IS IN EFFECT UNTIL 8 AM EDT WEDNESDAY... FOR THE WESTERN AND SOUTHERN ADIRONDACKS... THE MOHAWK AND SCHOHARIE VALLEYS... AND THE EASTERN CATSKILLS

Posted October 28th at 8:37 AM
Lisa Z. (Richfield Springs):

Adam,

We have continuous snow here in Richfield Springs…..and I thought that wouldn‘t happen until this afternoon? lol Doesn‘t seem to have much rain mixed in either so I am betting we will start accumulating rather quickly. Guess we will need boots for trick-or-treating??

Posted October 28th at 8:45 AM
Trista B. (Richfield Springs):

We have little over a inch, maybe more, hard to tell. The roads are very slushy, and slick, the wind is also picking up. Should be a fun day here in Richfield Springs, closer to cooperstown area.

Adam~ Do U think We are going to get more now that Poconos have 6 inches already..

Posted October 28th at 8:46 AM
Trista B. (Richfield Springs):

Lisa Z, I dont think we will have to have our boots for Trick or Treating, Its suppose to warm up on thursday and friday, so more then likely this will melt. Maybe not though, Its hard to tell..

Posted October 28th at 8:48 AM
Trista B. (Richfield Springs):

Does anyone have any idea how the road conditions are. I know just from what my hubby said they are bad, but Are they ok to travel on or not?

Posted October 28th at 8:50 AM
Adam Musyt:

Trista,

I still like our call for now. Keep in mind that it has been snowing at Mt. Pocono since before 11:00 last night. And that is at 2100 ft. The vast majority of the area isn‘t quite that high in eevation – but some spots are close. So I still like our call for now. But definitely keep an eye on the upper end of that range if temps dip below freezing before, say, 1 or 2:00.

Posted October 28th at 8:53 AM
Trista B. (Richfield Springs):

Thank you Adam.

Posted October 28th at 8:55 AM
Mary:

I‘m still waiting for my confirmation email as well. Have tried registering three times (couple times last week, once yesterday). Advice?

Posted October 28th at 8:55 AM
Kenny (South utica):

No snow here yet…but a very very cold rain…will keep everyone posted…home until about 4 today then off to work.

Posted October 28th at 8:57 AM
Mike S :

Check out this image from Sidney Center.

Posted October 28th at 9:05 AM
Jeff H (Sherburne Hills):

still snowing moderately in the hills of chenango co. Anyone that looks to my weather station KNYSHERB2 on weather underground be advised that it is down again. I really need them to fix this issue :(!!!

Posted October 28th at 9:12 AM
Laura (working in Clinton):

Well, I hit every form of precipitation between home (Paris Hill) and here! Be advised that snow is sticking on the hilltops and the roads are getting slippery. Within a mile of elevation change it was back to moderate rain.

Posted October 28th at 9:22 AM
matt (hp):

38 here,still raining pretty steadily. i think im at 1100 ft ill check though

Posted October 28th at 9:26 AM
mike M(oswego):

jeff, is it snowing in lower elevations too? you hear anything about binghamton, any snow in town yet?

Posted October 28th at 9:50 AM
Jeff H (Sherburne Hills):

It was snowing here in Norwich, but we are in a little but of a lull now. Looks like there is some nasty looking radar returns east of here moving almost due west though. I know that Binghamton has some snow this morning

Posted October 28th at 9:51 AM
Tony-CNYWeather.com (Westmoreland):

Well my webcam has decided to be a pain today. I‘m trying to fix it here from work but no go so far.

Posted October 28th at 9:52 AM
Adam Musyt:

Mike M,

It is snowing at the valley floor in Scranton and probably at Binghamton too. But its doubtful that any accumulation is taking place because even at BGM airport on the hill the temp is still 34 degrees.

Posted October 28th at 9:53 AM
Samantha:

At 7:00am, had 1” of heavy, wet snow on the hilltop in VanHornesville

Posted October 28th at 9:54 AM
Samantha:

IS there anywhere you can type in your address to find out your elevation?

Posted October 28th at 9:58 AM
Bill Kardas:

Newburgh (SWF), NY reports a sustained NNE wind of 44mph with gusts of 52mph in the past hour. Yikes!

Posted October 28th at 10:04 AM
Bill Kardas:

Newburgh (SWF), NY reports a sustained NNE wind of 44mph with gusts of 52mph in the past hour. Yikes!

Posted October 28th at 10:04 AM
Bill Kardas:

A few wet flakes still falling on Smith Hill…but not even close to sticking. It‘s too warm yet. Winds 20-30mph. Not the day you want to be outside for sure.

Posted October 28th at 10:07 AM
mike m(oswego):

jeff, bill thanks for the info. just talked to my dad and he is on the valley floor in binghamton; he claims it is still all rain at his house.bill, are temperatures expected to continue dropping throughout the day?

Posted October 28th at 10:12 AM
Rob (Whitesboro):

Still raining here.Temp down to 37.3.Looks like there‘s some dry air working into the storm.Hopefully that area of intense precip out in ENY slides this way.

Posted October 28th at 10:15 AM
sn(Forestport):

It has been was snowing at about 630am according to my husband. When I got up at 730 it was snow/rain mix. Changed back over to rain from 8am-915am, back over to a mix of snow and rain from 915-945 then snow from 945-1015 now its raining again. Nothing is/has been sticking at this time. Just wet. Elevation Apporx 1200 feet. Will report back around 1130.

Posted October 28th at 10:28 AM
Matt Lanza (Utica):

Fascinating series of events ongoing here with this storm. It is snowing near Philadelphia right now, and Trenton, NJ as well. The core of the upper level storm is just over them. That will pass east of us this evening…once that lines up with our area, I think that is when the changeover will begin working into areas that have been otherwise wet so far.

Posted October 28th at 10:35 AM
Matt (Holland Patent):

Im at about 850 ft. Matt, where the storm is tracking does this mean it will change over to snow any faster or stay rain longer?

Posted October 28th at 10:49 AM
HEATHER (MOHAWK):

well it hasn‘t snowed here yet still raining thank goodness lol I did however take my son to school at 8 am and the cars coming off 28 were covered sanders going by every little bit and thruway is across from my house and traffic is flowing normal

Posted October 28th at 10:50 AM
sn (forestport):

LOL just as I thought it was raining it is a rain snow mix at this time

Posted October 28th at 10:50 AM
Jules (Ilion):

Temp 38.8 f .. light rain… elevation 407ft

Posted October 28th at 10:51 AM
Jeff H (Sherburne Hills):

Still right at freezing with my weather station apparently working again its 32.4. Still snowing on the hills in Chenango with minimal problems, we have had some tree down calls and the wind really hasn‘t started much here.

Posted October 28th at 10:55 AM
Matt Lanza (Utica):

Matt: It looks pretty unchanged from last night at this point, but just from an observational standpoint, that’‘s what I‘d be looking for.

Incidentally, 2,100’ in Northeast PA reporting 12.1”. Ridiculous.

Posted October 28th at 10:56 AM
Trista B. (Richfield Springs):

We have almost 2 inches of very wet snow here, The roads are horrible. Temperature is at 33, and will be very bad when it drops below that. The lights have been flickering here, believe that we are going to loose power up here today. Tree limbs and powerlines are hanging very low. So Be very careful going out today, If what is on the roads freezes, its going to absolutly horrible..

Posted October 28th at 11:09 AM
Gary (Paris Station):

We have 3-4 inches on the ground. The plowes have been out since 7am. At 1417ft it has been snowing hard all morning.I wouldn‘t be surprised to see Sauquoit close school early.Just a routine early winter day on top of paris hill. Enjoy!!

Posted October 28th at 11:10 AM
Gary (Paris Station):

We have 3-4 inches on the ground. The plowes have been out since 7am. At 1417ft it has been snowing hard all morning.I wouldn‘t be surprised to see Sauquoit close school early.Just a routine early winter day on top of paris hill. Enjoy!!

Posted October 28th at 11:10 AM
curious (RS):

Trista do u have any kids in school? Just wondering cause if roads already bad, kinda worried bout 3:00 especially since gonna get worse between 1-2

Posted October 28th at 11:20 AM
Rob (Whitesboro):

Matt is there any indication that this storm is moving slower than models suggested.Just seems to be spinning down by NYC.Temp back up to 38.2 here :{

Posted October 28th at 11:33 AM
sn(forestport):

I wish mother nature would make up her mind LOL It‘s been going between rain, snow and a mix all morning. Right now it is raining lightly and breezy. If my thermometer was working I‘d give you the temp. Feels cold and damp though. This is going to be an interesting day for sure.

Posted October 28th at 11:45 AM
Becky (West Leyden):

more than 10 inches of snow in the higher elevations of the Poconos
.
Have been having light snow all moring. Not much in the way of accumulation. The temp here is 33 with windchills 10-0. The snow has been coming down harder in the last 10-15 mins. I expect it to start sticking within the next half hour or so.
The winds are very strong. 20- to 30 mph with gust over 35. the winds will only get stronger as the storm moves closer. With the amount of leaves on the trees; I think the power will be off by tonight.

Posted October 28th at 11:51 AM
Bill Kardas:

No big changes on the hill here. Still lightly raining/snowing. Wind gust in past hour up to 40mph.

Posted October 28th at 11:52 AM
Mel (Westernville):

Should be a fun ride home for me tonight. Over near Worcester, MA for a trade show until 5. Hopefully will get through the Berkshires before they get nasty – I hate that stretch of roads when it snows and the truckers keep on hauling a**!

Posted October 28th at 11:55 AM
Matt S. (Deerfield):

When is it going to change over here in Deerfield?

Posted October 28th at 12:04 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

That should say having light snow all morning

Posted October 28th at 12:07 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

Mel: Drive careful

Posted October 28th at 12:08 PM
Brad (Oneonta area):

Elevations in over 2000 are in the 4-6 inch range here. Snowing still but what is falling now is not sticking on the ground. Roads are fine, but the hills may be a different story.

Posted October 28th at 12:14 PM
Rob (Whitesboro):

33 degrees now in BGM with 3/4 mile visability.

Posted October 28th at 12:24 PM
Stacy R (Stratford):

Snow mixing in with rain at this time here in Stratford ( elevation 1200 ft ?).

Posted October 28th at 12:36 PM
Randy (Oneonta):

34.3 degrees here
994MB pressure and falling
elevation approx: 1050 feet
Heavy wet snow falling now, hardly any rain mixing in anymore.
1-2 inches on grass, slush on roads, sticking to some ground surfaces such as blacktop.
winds 10-25mph

Posted October 28th at 12:48 PM
Sarah:

Its’ been raining here all morning…just plain nasty. According to my thermometer it‘s still 42.1, with gusty winds. We’‘ll see what happens.

Posted October 28th at 12:49 PM
Randy (Oneonta):

WKTV Meteorologists: when do you think the snow will actually start to fully stick to the roads in the oneonta area?

Posted October 28th at 12:51 PM
Matt Lanza (Utica):

Randy, could be soon above 1,000’, if it isn‘t already. Definitely toward sunset. Pictures from NJ and PA are suggesting that roads are going to turn into an absolute mess tonight once it starts sticking. I would highly advise people stay put once the snow starts sticking.

Posted October 28th at 1:05 PM
sn (forestport):

Back over to snow. Had a good burst of moderate snow for about 10 or 15 mins now and its still coming down. Getting very windy. Darn thermometer still not working:( . Guess I‘ll have to get a new one Nothing sticking at tis time here, I‘m sure that will change shourly. Will keep you posted as I can. Please everyone SLOW DOWN its only going to get worse out there.

Mel: Be careful out there.

Posted October 28th at 1:05 PM
Tom:

up north of the city it snowed for about 10 minutes…im at about 1200 feet and right now I dont even think its raining…extremely windy though

Posted October 28th at 1:47 PM
Tom:

up north of the city it snowed for about 10 minutes…im at about 1200 feet and right now I dont even think its raining…extremely windy though

Posted October 28th at 1:48 PM
SB:

Coming down like crazy in Richfield Springs and sticking to blacktop. It‘s a slushy mess. I just heard from someone who was headed down 28 to the valley that there are cars off the road all over. Be careful out there!

Posted October 28th at 1:58 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

It‘s snowing hard and the snow on the ground is blowing around quite a bit. The snow is very wet and slushy. Currently the wind is NNW at 23 mph highest gust so was 43 mph.
.
Matt: You’re right about driving later; after dark the roads will be atrocious it’s definitely kind of day to stay put.
.
Sn: hows your power doing. I still have power. However the lights have flickered a few times

Posted October 28th at 2:05 PM
serious:

when will we see the change in the utica/rome area?

Posted October 28th at 2:10 PM
Trista B. (Richfield Springs):

curious (RS):
Trista do u have any kids in school? Just wondering cause if roads already bad, kinda worried bout 3:00 especially since gonna get worse between 1-2
I dont personally have any kids in school, lots of relatives, mine are too younge yet, i will tell ya one thing, RS school will no closer early, they never have and never will, against school policy. Usually the DOT will plow again between 1-3 to make sure they roads are ok for the buses. If they do it, sometimes, they are lacking,

AS for the weather, Since I layed down at 12, we got another couple of inches, The roads are covered with slush, and now snow also. The winds have picked up a lot, so i can just imagine what is going to happen later. Im already without tv if that says anything..

Posted October 28th at 2:11 PM
Dave hp:
I live a mile out side the village of Holland Patent elevation is some where between 1000 to 900 ft. The wind concerns me is it suppose to keep up through the night?
Posted October 28th at 2:18 PM
Matt (Holland Patent):

Its 38 here still, winds are really kicking it.

Posted October 28th at 2:23 PM
Becky (West Leyden):
I see Tobyhanna PA in the Pocono Mountains has over 14 inches of snow. I guess a lot of us will be having a white Halloween :) . We can be glad its not December or January or will would be talking 40 inches plus. You can see a lot of banding in the storm on level two radar.
Posted October 28th at 2:29 PM
Kenny (South utica):

Just heard a police radio transmission that said it was like the middle of january out…not sure what area but I have a feeling we are heading for a long night….heavy wet snow, plus leaves on the trees still, and wind….power outages will be around im sure

Posted October 28th at 2:30 PM
Gary W:

Hi, all from east Utica. Heavy rain here right now. I‘ll keep all of you posted on any accumulating snow in this neck of the woods as the day progresses. I think I might start up the old snowblower this afternoon!

Posted October 28th at 2:31 PM
Gordon (Northwestern):

Had .45” of rain up to 10 AM this morning. Have basically been in a dry area since then with only .04” haven fallen since 10 AM. Only saw a couple wet flakes earlier. I am at about 975’ elevation.

Posted October 28th at 2:34 PM
Matt Lanza (Utica):

Thanks for the reports folks, keep them coming please. I‘d like to have a pretty solid list before 5 PM if possible. Again, try and include your elevation when you can. Thanks so much!

Posted October 28th at 2:37 PM
Ryan S. (Sauquoit):
Very very windy in Sauquoit things are just starting to stick….......SNowing pretty hard
Posted October 28th at 2:40 PM
Karen (Westmoreland):

Tony from CNY WEATHER..thank you for letting me know my elevation earlier and sorry I didn‘t thank you earlier… I was at work…I just got home and still a very cold rain..feels like it may be starting to mix with a little snow

Posted October 28th at 2:40 PM
Gary W.:

Hey, Matt. Quick question. It seems as if there is a good deal of above normal temps. building in the midwest right now and they look to stay that way for ayt least the next 7 days or so. Is there a chance that that slides this way and causes some flooding for the places that are going to receive the 6-12+ inches with this system or are we going to moderate to normal for late Oct/early Nov. resulting in a slow melt? It just seems that when above normal temps build in that region, they always seem to slide this way as well. Thanks! Good luck in the weather room tonight!

Posted October 28th at 2:41 PM
Matt Lanza (Utica):

Gary: I‘m not too worried about much flooding right now, as streams are pretty close to normal for this time of year I believe. I think we‘ll see some significant rises, even by Friday as most of the snow will melt by then. But…certainly (at this point) nothing I‘m fearful of.

Posted October 28th at 2:50 PM
Kenny (South utica):

Rain is changing to snow here in south utica now….Hillcrest manor area, elavation about 700ft…..winds seems to be picking up a bit as well

Posted October 28th at 2:50 PM
Mark (Near Paris Station):

Heavy snow coming down. 3-4+ inches i‘d say so far? . Cold too. Shovled the deck, going to get the snowblower out soon. Rt 12 is a mess. Cars going by with flashers on at a snails pace..be careful out there

Posted October 28th at 2:51 PM
grannydeb:

When will it start snowing in utica/rome. Any idea. I would think since it hasn‘t started yet we are looking at very little accumulation for this area? i hope. We will see high windfs in this area.

Everyone drive carefrul where the roads are bad. the first snowfall is kind of tricky when it comes to driving.

Posted October 28th at 2:52 PM
Jill Reale (Utica):

Switched over to all snow in South Utica as well.

Posted October 28th at 2:53 PM
snowwy:

in litchfield the snow is and has been coming down all morning and as of right now at 245 pm. it is very hard dense snow poor visibility. with accumulations of about 3 inches or more. But yet in New Hartford it is raining? how is this so? can we expect a lot of snow? I thinks someone should try concentrating on this area because the weather reports for elevation and such do not add up for this area.

Posted October 28th at 2:54 PM
Matt Lanza (Utica):

Snowwy: I‘ll be honest…there is no rhyme or reason to how things are behaving. We‘re seeing snow levels plummet now everywhere, so everyone should see a changeover. Elevations above 1000 feet south and east of Utica have been snow today….north and west have not. Why? Areas south and east are closer to the core of the storm. So Litchfield will see it before NH will.

Let the games begin now!

Posted October 28th at 2:57 PM
JIM (WHITESBORO):

just starting to snow/ sort of at New Hartford shopping center.

Posted October 28th at 2:59 PM
Gary W.:

Thanks, Matt. Snowfall has commenced in east Utica. Wet, heavy flakes.

Posted October 28th at 3:01 PM
Jon (Vernon Center):

All snow now!! 35 degrees about 700 feet

Posted October 28th at 3:01 PM
mommyof3boys:

well its mixing rightnow in ilion at 35 degrees how long do you think before it will be all snow thanks jessie

Posted October 28th at 3:04 PM
Jeff (Port Leyden):

34.1 degrees here in port leyden and still back and forth with snow and rain.

Posted October 28th at 3:04 PM
Mark (Near Paris Station):

Well, i decided to measure the depth of the snow in the yard while waiting for my daughter to get off the school bus. I measured the same amount in 4 different spots…. A solid 4.75” and still coming down pretty heavy. All cars going by on Rt 12 have flashers on and moving like turtles…

Posted October 28th at 3:06 PM
Trista B. (Richfield Springs):

County Route 16 in Burlington Flats is without power. Went out almost two hours ago.. The Snow is really coming down now, all the roads are covered, Although, I haven‘t seen DOT out yet, and it is three, so Be very careful coming home tonight. Should be a interesting night. Ill check totals on accumulation here soon, Ill be back on around 4, if my power holds up. lol..

Posted October 28th at 3:07 PM
Matt (Holland Patent):

I went out to the mailbox it was starting to snow. 37.5. WInds out of the northwest about 5-10.

Posted October 28th at 3:07 PM
sn (forestport):

Becky so far so good – was wondering for a bit though has dimmed 3 or 4 times. I hope it stays on or I‘ll be without hear. snowing and blowing up this way. How are things up your way – I have a friend heading up that way from Rome area.

Posted October 28th at 3:09 PM
Rob (Whitesboro):

Rain/Snow mix here at 650ft.Temp at 34.5 degrees.

Posted October 28th at 3:09 PM
Michael- (Dolgeville):

35.8 degrees with just a few flakes starting to mix in. Elevation 802 feet.

Posted October 28th at 3:12 PM
Jimmy (New Hartford):

Switched to snow here at 2:30 PM and hasn’ stopped since. Starting o stick to the grass here and snowing rather heavily. Elevation 700 feet.

Posted October 28th at 3:14 PM
Beth (waterville):

Snow has been coming down all day. We just lost power.

Posted October 28th at 3:14 PM
Patty (Herkimer):

starting to mix a little

Posted October 28th at 3:14 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

Winds are very strong. Tree just came down in my back field. Snow is coming down sideways.

Posted October 28th at 3:14 PM
sn (forestport):

My comment above should read I hope the power stays or I will be without heat. Man I cant type today. :)

Posted October 28th at 3:14 PM
Mike S (Port Leyden):

I‘ve got a 45 degree snowfall, albeit peaceful.

Up in Turin it was beginning to stick when I left, but down here we‘re still on nothing.

Posted October 28th at 3:16 PM
MG(Point Rock):

Drove down route 12 from Watertown to Boonville— lots of snow and rain mix, but no snow on the ground anywhere along the whole route.

Posted October 28th at 3:16 PM
Tony-CNYWeather.com (Westmoreland):

It‘s turned to snow in the Village of NH. Big old flakes right now.

Posted October 28th at 3:17 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

Sn: its snow hard….. the roads are Ok now. However in a few hours it will be able to get around.

Posted October 28th at 3:17 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

That should say in a few hours no one will be able to get around

Posted October 28th at 3:18 PM
Mel (Westernville):

Little confused – the wktv website headline is “lake effect snow hits central ny” – thought this was synoptic snow now. Suns out here in Worcester, MA.

Posted October 28th at 3:22 PM
sn (forestport):

Becky thanks. Holy – when the wind gets going you can barly see. Just starting to stick on the grass. I‘m sure it‘ll be sticking on the roads soon.

Posted October 28th at 3:22 PM
Mike (Little Falls):

For some odd reason I cant get to the National Grid website…I was wondering how many power outages are occurring in Herkimer County…I know its early for outages but I was just curious…

Posted October 28th at 3:23 PM
Matt Lanza (Utica):

Mel: I will correct that…no idea who published that one!

Posted October 28th at 3:23 PM
sno x (westmo):
all snow in westmo just south of the thruway not sticking yet…...skyline drive on the other hand is snow and slush coverd
Posted October 28th at 3:26 PM
Kenny (South utica):

Mike national grid site says as of 3:30pm today 139 customers without power in herkimer county…all in the town of webb…also only 1 without power in oneida county and 121 in madison county

Posted October 28th at 3:28 PM
Kenny (South utica):

Mike national grid site says as of 3:30pm today 139 customers without power in herkimer county…all in the town of webb…also only 1 without power in oneida county and 121 in madison county

Posted October 28th at 3:28 PM
Mike (Little Falls):

By the way….snow starting to mix in here in Little Falls (500 ft)

Posted October 28th at 3:28 PM
Matt Lanza (Utica):

Mike: Got in… 139 customers out, all in the Town of Webb

Posted October 28th at 3:29 PM
Larry - from Military Road Salisbury:

Hi Folks:

Conditions at this location at 15:00.

Sky: Snow and rain mix – more snow than rain.
Temperature: 35 degrees.
Barometer: 29.31” F.
Wind: WNW < --- > NW @ 7 – 14 mph (G-19)
Precipitation: Total thus far for this event from 10/27/08 – 22:00 until 10/28/08 – 15:00 is R – .58”.

Snow mix began this location at approximately 14:40 hrs.

Posted October 28th at 3:31 PM
Rob (Whitesboro):

Wow I guess it is really coming down in New Hartford.Web cam showing the grass just about gone.

Posted October 28th at 3:32 PM
Jodi (Ilion):

Officially starting to snow in Ilion. Coming down pretty good with some nasty wind. Its not sticking though.=)

Posted October 28th at 3:32 PM
Jimmy (New Hartford):

temp down to 34

Posted October 28th at 3:33 PM
Jeff (Port Leyden):

Not sure you got my last post. All snow now in port leyden and coming down heavy.

Posted October 28th at 3:34 PM
Larry - from Military Road Salisbury:

Elevation at this location 1020’.

Posted October 28th at 3:34 PM
auntlovie (clayville):

Very nasty here in Litchfield alot of snow..snowed all day and the roads r aweful…i hear alot of accidents in my area…so everyone BE CAREFUL!! if u have to be on the road

Posted October 28th at 3:36 PM
Trista B. (Richfield Springs):

Have about 4 inches here. Still coming down very hard, the winds are picking up, Just went and moved a small tree branch out of the road here. DOT have not been out at all today, so bevery careful..

Posted October 28th at 3:37 PM
Jodi (Ilion):

Is the 1-4 inches on the map in my area what‘s going to be stuck to the ground or just perception total?

Posted October 28th at 3:40 PM
too early to snow!!!:

snowing now in New Hartford…coming done pretty well.

Posted October 28th at 3:42 PM
Mike (Little Falls):

Thanks for the info Kenny and Matt… Idk why I cant seem to get in…my internet is working fine…Update: at 500ft the snow is mixing with rain but strangely is 30 seconds of rain and then 30 seconds of just snow…it‘s trying to changeover as temperatures have fallen from 36.1 to 33.7 in the last hour or so…I will continue tracking through tonight…P.S. thanks to everyone for giving their elevations and their totals…that helps WKTV as well as people to the north and elevation wise, the lower elevations, what to expect….

Posted October 28th at 3:43 PM
Jimmy (New Hartford):

aunt in waterville has 3 inches on the ground

Posted October 28th at 3:44 PM
Jimmy (New Hartford):

aunt in waterville has 3 inches on the ground

Posted October 28th at 3:44 PM
Jimmy (New Hartford):

aunt in waterville has 3 inches on the ground

Posted October 28th at 3:44 PM
Allen S. (Sauquoit):

Snowing hard here in Sauquoit. Been out and seen many accidents here already. Hoping I won‘t have to venture out tonight! Elevation is about 1,100 feet where I am, the roads are covered and I‘d say we‘ve got about 2 inches in the past hour and a half!

Posted October 28th at 3:50 PM
Tony-CNYWeather.com (Westmoreland):

Nothing there yet Rob? Wife is at Griffiss and says no snow there yet.

Posted October 28th at 3:52 PM
mike (top of higby hill):

we have a nice wet and heavy inch on the ground with the roads getting slick,

Posted October 28th at 3:54 PM
Matt Lanza (Utica):

Old Forge getting pummeled with snow now:

http://www.oldforge.net/webcam1.html

Posted October 28th at 4:00 PM
WINTER (Forestport):

Snow is just starting to accumulate on the grass. Wet and windy on RT 12 north of Utica. No snow on the roads yet up to Forestport.

Posted October 28th at 4:03 PM
Rob (Whitesboro):

Tony is been a rain/snow mix here for the past hour.There was a period of about 5 minutes when it was all snow.No accumalation.Still 34.5 degrees.

Posted October 28th at 4:04 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

just got back from the store. Visibility is less than a quarter of a mile and the main roadway has about an inch of slush.

Posted October 28th at 4:06 PM
jim (whitesboro):

hearing that rt 12 is closed near paris/clinton. tractor trailer either off the road or blocking the road by sivicki‘s (sic?) farm stand. reported to me by one of my employees.

Posted October 28th at 4:06 PM
sn (forestport):

snow coming down moderate to heavy at times – when the wind picks up you can hardly see. If you can, stay where you are. We have about 1/2 to 1 inch at this time. Will check back as i can if i have power. is there a way to access this from my cell phone??

Posted October 28th at 4:08 PM
Bill Kardas:

Snow coming down pretty good here on Smith hill now. Sticking to the cars without a problem.

Posted October 28th at 4:09 PM
Jeff (Port Leyden):

32.5 degrees and snowing heavy.

Posted October 28th at 4:14 PM
Stacy R (Stratford):

For being an eastern storm you certainly would not know it by looking out my windows! It is VERY lightly snowing, and not a flake on the ground. Up until 30 minutes ago we had mostly rain. Are you sure Mike S, that I am 1200 ft in elevation?

Posted October 28th at 4:14 PM
Michael- (Dolgeville):

33.4 degrees with light snow the dominant precipitation type. Snow is not sticking yet. Elevation 802 feet.

Posted October 28th at 4:18 PM
Matt(marcy):

at unofficially 700 ft moderate snow falling in Marcy at 33.1 and dropping steadily, almost 2 degrees in the past 3 hrs and I was just wondering the web cam of old forge can be animated

Posted October 28th at 4:21 PM
Larry - from Military Road Salisbury:

Conditions at this location as of 16:00 hrs.

Elevation 1020’.
Sky: Light to medium snow showers – no rain at this time.
Temperature: 34 degrees.
Barometer: 29.31” S.
Wind: NW @ 8 – 14 MPH (G-18mph).
Precipitation: R – .05”.

Snow is just barely starting to stick to grass and windward side of trees and buildings

Posted October 28th at 4:22 PM
Laura (Paris Hill):

Barely made it home! State Route 12 is closed. It is closed due to tractor trailers stuck on the road. Is is being diverted at Fountain Street up here on the Hill. Not sure where it‘s blocked below. Going to take pictures now.

Posted October 28th at 4:24 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

In West Leyden the temp is 29 degrees. The snow is coming down hard and visibility is less than one quarter of a mile. Winds are currently 20 mph. highest gust today was 45 mph. about 2-3 inches of snow has fallen. Both the main and secondary roadways are snow covered and very slippery. A few cars are off the roads. Combine that with fallen trees and limbs are driving is very treacherous. Elevation here is between 1700 and 1800 feet.

Posted October 28th at 4:27 PM
Matt(marcy):

Check that snow now falling heavily and visibility lowered

Posted October 28th at 4:27 PM
Rob (Whitesboro):

All snow here and coming down pretty good.Just starting to stick at 34 degrees.

Posted October 28th at 4:35 PM
Frank (Utica):

I was just shocked to turn on a certain (weather) channel to see that they are in Utica broadcasting live. In all the years here i have never seen that. Let it Snow!

Posted October 28th at 4:36 PM
Mary-Utica:

The weather channel has a reporter reporting from downtown Utica about the storm. Has anyone seen it?

Posted October 28th at 4:37 PM
mommyof3boys (ilion):

well its snowing here in ilion at this time but i think its still got a little rain in with it but its now 32 degrees out and a bit windy so i dont know but i know its SNOWING out now

Posted October 28th at 4:37 PM
Mary-Utica:

The weather channel has a reporter reporting from downtown Utica about the storm. Has anyone seen it?

Posted October 28th at 4:37 PM
Michael- (Dolgeville):

32.7 degrees with light to moderate snow falling. Temps dropping steadilly. Snow is starting to stick to parked cars. I am watching cars come down from Salisbury that have about an inch of snow on them. Elevation 802 feet.

Posted October 28th at 4:38 PM
Jill Reale (Utica):

The reporter is actually at our station on Smith Hill

Posted October 28th at 4:39 PM
Jill Reale (Utica):

The reporter is actually at our station on Smith Hill

Posted October 28th at 4:40 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

I try to avoid the weather channel.

Posted October 28th at 4:40 PM
Anthony(N.Marcy):

Snowing heavily grass almost covered at 32 degrees!! Hoping to pull out 6+ total out of this one…Will give a good start to the season!!!

Posted October 28th at 4:41 PM
sn(forestport):

probably going to lose power soon. shutting computer down. will check back here later if i can.

Posted October 28th at 4:43 PM
mommyof3boys:

can anyone post a link to this weather video in utica from the weathr channel thanks

Posted October 28th at 4:47 PM
Matt(marcy):

A thick coating on grass and cars and it‘s only been snowing for about an hour and thirty minutes! no sticking on cement yet

Posted October 28th at 4:47 PM
Shauna (Ilion):

It‘s amazing the difference elevation makes. I just came down 28 from Richfield Springs and it‘s a different world up there! A couple inches on the grass and a slushy mess on the roads turned into nothing by the bottom of Vickerman Hill. Snowing pretty good in Ilion and just staring to stick tot he grass. Roads still look clear.

Posted October 28th at 4:49 PM
Shauna (Ilion):

It‘s amazing the difference elevation makes. I just came down 28 from Richfield Springs and it‘s a different world up there! A couple inches on the grass and a slushy mess on the roads turned into nothing by the bottom of Vickerman Hill. Snowing pretty good in Ilion and just staring to stick tot he grass. Roads still look clear.

Posted October 28th at 4:49 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

Anthony: The snow won’t stick around long. The storm will move this trough and allow a ridge to move in. this will allow the nice weather out west to move in. At least for the first part of next week the weather will be very nice.

Posted October 28th at 4:49 PM
Matt Lanza (Utica):

Just keep in mind…TWC is calling for 1-2 feet in Utica…and that isn‘t happening so…I‘m just saying. But we‘re glad they‘ve chosen to use our parking lot as a staging area. Give them a taste of what real winter is like :)

Got a report of 10” of snow on Tassel Hill in S Oneida County (1,700’). Absolutely sick.

Posted October 28th at 4:50 PM
Koz (Ilion):

Snow just starting to stick here in Ilion on 2nd St hill

Posted October 28th at 4:51 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

mommyof3boys: here is the link

http://www.weather.com/multimedia/videoplayer.html?clip=4702&from=hp_video_1

Posted October 28th at 4:56 PM
Now It Can Be Told by Geraldo Rivera:

Just for posterity‘s sake, let‘s all take a note of what NWS Albany was expecting.

From this morning,

NYZ038-282030-
SOUTHERN HERKIMER-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF…ILION...HERKIMER...LITTLE FALLS...MOHAWK...
FRANKFORT...DOLGEVILLE
918 AM EDT TUE OCT 28 2008

...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT UNTIL 8 AM EDT WEDNESDAY...

.TODAY...RAIN OR SNOW. SNOW ACCUMULATION OF 3 TO 6 INCHES. NEAR
STEADY TEMPERATURE IN THE MID 30S. NORTHWEST WINDS 15 TO 20 MPH.
GUSTS UP TO 50 MPH THIS AFTERNOON. CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION NEAR
100 PERCENT.
.TONIGHT...SNOW. ADDITIONAL SNOW ACCUMULATION OF 4 TO 8 INCHES. LOWS
IN THE UPPER 20S. WEST WINDS 15 TO 20 MPH. GUSTS UP TO 50 MPH...
DECREASING TO 40 MPH AFTER MIDNIGHT. CHANCE OF SNOW NEAR
100 PERCENT.
.WEDNESDAY...SNOW SHOWERS LIKELY IN THE MORNING...THEN SNOW OR RAIN
SHOWERS LIKELY IN THE AFTERNOON. TOTAL SNOW ACCUMULATION OF 8 TO
16 INCHES POSSIBLE. COLD WITH HIGHS IN THE MID 30S. WEST WINDS
AROUND 15 MPH WITH GUSTS UP TO 30 MPH. CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION
60 PERCENT.

Emphasis in Bold is mine

Looks the NWS in Albany is going to eat it. O waiter, one order of CROW coming right up

Posted October 28th at 4:59 PM
Mike(Rome):

Slight mix of rain and snow earlier, otherwise just plain rain and gusty winds.

Posted October 28th at 5:05 PM
mommyof3boys:

just started to stick here in ilion on north st always sticks up on second before us here so its sticking now

Posted October 28th at 5:14 PM
Laura (Paris Hill):

This storm seems to be very elevation “dependent”. Anyone who wants snow to shovle and winds gusting 30+ MPH should come up this way. We have enough to go around. :) The plows are going by every 5-10 minutes.

Posted October 28th at 5:14 PM
Michael- (Dolgeville):

Troopers reporting a foot or more of snow on roadways in Southern Madison county per Public Information Statements. DOT reporting Severe snow and ice conditions along State Route 20 in Madison County as well.

Posted October 28th at 5:16 PM
Barb (Lee Center):

We are still in WNY...west of Rochester about 30 miles. How is the weather in Lee? Anyone know? Just cold here…very windy, no rain, no snow. Guess I am missing the fun!!

Posted October 28th at 5:17 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

Laura: This storm is very typical of early season snowstorms. everything depends on precipitation rate and elevation, elevation, elevation.

Posted October 28th at 5:19 PM
Larry - from Military Road Salisbury:

Hello All:

Conditions at my location at 17:00.

Elevation: 1020’.
Sky: Snow at medium but steady intensity.
Temperature: 33 degrees.
Barometer: 29.31” S.
Wind: WNW < --- > NW @ 6 – 16 mph (G-18mph).
Precipitation: S – covering.
Visibility: approximately .3 – .5 miles.

Posted October 28th at 5:24 PM
Alan (New Hartford):

Jill that should be you on the weather channel.

So does this mean the snowblower contest can end on day 3?

Posted October 28th at 5:25 PM
Laura (Paris Hill):

Becky: I hear you there! When I left work in Clinton it was snowing but not sticking. Got up here and we have at least 5-6 inches and still coming. It‘s very slippery here with cars sliding all over.

Posted October 28th at 5:27 PM
Ryan S. (Sauquoit):

IS the snow going to pick up in intensity into the night???? I thought thats what i heard, any answers would help

Posted October 28th at 5:29 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

Barb: I talked to someone in point rock, they have about one inch of snow on the ground I think the conditions in Lee are about the same. Some areas in western Oneida county will have to contend with LES .late tonight into tomorrow However, I don‘t know if Lee will get involved with the LES.

Posted October 28th at 5:32 PM
Lisa:

It‘s amazing to see the weather blog this busy for only October. Does this mean a brutal winter is on the way? Keep up the good work .

Posted October 28th at 5:34 PM
Matt(marcy):

Yep Ryan snow will stick to roads and intensify(if it already hasn‘t)

Posted October 28th at 5:34 PM
Matt Lanza (Utica):

Ryan: We‘re seeing banding begin…which means the snow is going to fall heavily in spots…not so heavy in other spots. The general trend will be for things to settle back a bit after 8-11 PM. So the next 2-4 hours will likely be the worst.

Posted October 28th at 5:36 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

Ryan: when the sun goes down. the snow will be able to stick a lot better. There is a lot of banding in the storm…. so if you get under one of these band…the snow could intensity quite a bit.

Posted October 28th at 5:37 PM
Jeff (Port Leyden):

1.25 inches and 32.3 degrees as of 5:40 and snowing moderately.

Posted October 28th at 5:41 PM
Barb (Lee Center):

Becky…thank you!!! We are in Albion right now…you guys are news back here!!! Hopefully we won‘t have to deal with it by the time we get back on Thursday. We are suppose to get some type of LES tonight…I don‘t know..it feels like it, but I don‘t believe it. Good luck…

Posted October 28th at 5:42 PM
Barb (Lee Center):

Becky…thank you!!! We are in Albion right now…you guys are news back here!!! Hopefully we won‘t have to deal with it by the time we get back on Thursday. We are suppose to get some type of LES tonight…I don‘t know..it feels like it, but I don‘t believe it. Good luck…

Posted October 28th at 5:43 PM
Dom-Tech:

No snow here

Posted October 28th at 5:46 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

Matt: did Bill loose the toss. I see he‘s out live in Utica :)

Posted October 28th at 5:47 PM
Dom-Tech (Oriskany):

Oriskany

Posted October 28th at 5:48 PM
Matt Lanza (Utica):

Becky: I think so! :)

Posted October 28th at 5:50 PM
Tony-CNYWeather.com (Westmoreland):

Starting to mix a little here in Westmo. Webcam is back up too!!

Posted October 28th at 5:52 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

Tony: I will trade…..you have grass :)

Posted October 28th at 5:56 PM
Dom-Tech (Oriskany):

Just testing he new blog, Not working good for me

Posted October 28th at 6:00 PM
Dom-Tech (Oriskany):

Just testing he new blog, Not working good for me

Posted October 28th at 6:00 PM
Mike (Rome):

Still just plain rain here in Rome, hopefully we get some snow!

Posted October 28th at 6:09 PM
Ryan S. (Sauquoit):

Snowing pretty heavily here in Sauquoit…....Very very windy…Hey Matt is this early October storm a sign of things to come?

Posted October 28th at 6:10 PM
Matt Lanza (Utica):

9” report just came in from Raquette Lake. 10” Tassel Hill earlier
2+” Smith Hill
4.5” Cassville
5” Richfield Springs

Posted October 28th at 6:11 PM
Matt(marcy):

Are we going to get the dry slot issue we get it seems every time there‘s a nor‘easter or coastal storm

Posted October 28th at 6:13 PM
Rob (Whitesboro):

Not much to report from here.Radar showing snow here but it‘s just been basically flurries.Had a dusting earlier but that has melted.34 degrees here.

Posted October 28th at 6:14 PM
Mike S (Port Leyden):

2” solid here in Port Leyden. Snow has come to a stop, and GRlevelX isn‘t working on this computer.

Posted October 28th at 6:15 PM
Matt(marcy):

please don‘t tell me this is it because I would be truly dissapointed

Posted October 28th at 6:15 PM
Mike(leonardsville):

Power lines fallen on route 8 in clayville. Albany rd closed off. Wow this is bad, will it be like this early in the morning.

Posted October 28th at 6:15 PM
John (Ohio):

3” snow, after 0.43” rain. Max wind gust 19.5 MPH. Elevation 1280’

Very limited visability snowing/blowing!

Posted October 28th at 6:16 PM
Michael- (Dolgeville):

Roads now begining to get slushy here and snow is falling Steadilly. Grass is covered as well.

Posted October 28th at 6:18 PM
Tony-CNYWeather.com (Westmoreland):

Becky – Sure thing. I‘ll be up with the 4 wheeler :-)

Posted October 28th at 6:21 PM
Stacy R (Stratford):

Heavy snow falling! Roads are completely covered. The plow just plowed my road. Reports of wires down above my house, I am hoping that I do not lose power.

Posted October 28th at 6:26 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

We have 3 to 4 inches of snow on the ground. Winds are still strong causing poor visability…... Lewis county has put a travel advisory into effect.

Posted October 28th at 6:26 PM
Rob (Whitesboro):

RTE 20 closed now from Cazenovia to Morrisville…lots of cars off the road.

Posted October 28th at 6:27 PM
Kim (Holland Patent):

Still just rain here in HP. Wishing it would change over..any thoughts on if its still going to snow this way?? Keeping my fingers crossed!!

Posted October 28th at 6:28 PM
Kim (Holland Patent):

Still just rain here in HP. Wishing it would change over..any thoughts on if its still going to snow this way?? Keeping my fingers crossed!!

Posted October 28th at 6:28 PM
Larry - from Military Road Salisbury:

Update – Conditions at my location at this time:

Elevation: 1020’.
Sky: Snow with light rain mix.
Temperature: 32.5 degrees.
Barometer: 29.31” S.
Wind: WNW @ 7 – 16 mph (G-21mph)
Precipitation: S – .4”.
Visibility: .25 – .45 miles.

Roads have snow sticking in this area now creating slush and the plows are out.

Posted October 28th at 6:29 PM
Jeff (Port Leyden):

Still snowing moderately here and about 2 inches on the ground. 32 degrees.

Posted October 28th at 6:31 PM
Matt Lanza (Utica):

Sheesh, even the 1-3” for the Valley might have been generous. Hilltops continue to get walloped. I would advise not travelling anywhere south of Utica tonight at all.

Posted October 28th at 6:31 PM
Rob (Whitesboro):

Yeah I‘m rather surprised The valley didn‘t at least get the grass covered yet.I‘m hoping for that 290 flow tomorrow cause that might be our only hope.Impressive totals in the Catskills from 12-16”.And that was 2 hours or so ago!

Posted October 28th at 6:38 PM
Michael- (Dolgeville):

Portions of State Route 5 in Madison County are now closed due to multiple tractor trailers off the road. DOT trying to clear the road. 5 mile traffic backup!

Posted October 28th at 6:44 PM
Mary-Utica:

We also just made the nightly news with Brian Williams!

Posted October 28th at 6:46 PM
Michelle - Prospect:

Snow covering the ground here and still snowing very windy also

Posted October 28th at 6:49 PM
Jimmy (New Hartford):

A thin coating of slush here, light coat of green on the grass. At my house our elevation is 700 feet. 50 ft. higher up higby hill you can‘t see the grass and they have about an inch. 100 feet up 800-850 feet higher at Perry Jr. high school you cant see the grass and the road is covered with .5 to 1 inch of slippery slush. 25-50 feet down my street there is zero snow on the grass. That really shows what a small change in elevation can mean. Here it is currently 34 degrees and lightly snowing wih gusty conditions that I would estimate at 5-20 mph. Will post more later.

Posted October 28th at 7:06 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

Still have a moderate snowfall coming down. right now the winds are N at 24 mph

Posted October 28th at 7:07 PM
Andy (Forestport):

Matt

does this count towards the 8 inches of snow rule in November?

Posted October 28th at 7:08 PM
Jeff (Port Leyden):

Matt or somebody is this still considered a nor easter or is this lake effect were getting now? because it looks like the storm is still there on radar, but also looks like it‘s comeing in off the lakes.

Posted October 28th at 7:10 PM
Bill (Exeter Center):

8+ inches and still coming down. Saw a few accidents on Rt. 205 between Hartwick and Rt. 80. One vehicle was on its roof. Very nasty traveling.

Posted October 28th at 7:11 PM
Mike S (Port Leyden):

It‘s still a Nor’ Easter, but the lake is helping along with precip, making it a lake enhanced nor’ easter.

Posted October 28th at 7:13 PM
Jeff (Port Leyden):

Thanks Mike. I appreciate that.

Posted October 28th at 7:15 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

Jeff: You‘re seeing both. The Nor‘easter is still moving north. and the wraparound of the winds a causing the Lake to fire up

Posted October 28th at 7:15 PM
Jeff (Port Leyden):

Thanks Becky.

Posted October 28th at 7:16 PM
Gary (Schuyler):

Just drove past The Weather Channel‘s van up at the WKTV parking lot, looks like Tetiana Anderson was a little chilly when she was making her report. I didn‘t see the entries here saying they were there, but I recognized the evergreen trees across the road in the report I saw on TWC, so I took a drive over.

Posted October 28th at 7:17 PM
Matt Lanza (Utica):

Winter Storm Warning extended into S Oneida/Madison….token measure I guess.

Posted October 28th at 7:20 PM
Matt (Holland Patent):

Kim, drive up towards barneveld on 365, about 2 miles out of HP theres snow sticking to the ground, were only at dusting status. Its really struggling, Im baffled by this.

Matt, how is it that the storm is wrapping cold air in and yet everyone on the northwest corner of this storm is struggling to get snow?

Posted October 28th at 7:21 PM
Tim (Ilion):

Here‘s the video link of TWC‘s Utica coverage…
http://www.weather.com/multimedia/videoplayer.html?clip=4702&from=hp_video_1

Posted October 28th at 7:25 PM
Larry - from Military Road Salisbury:

Update – conditions at my location at 19:00.

Elevation: 1020’.
Sky: light snow falling and blowing snow.
Temperature: 32.4 degrees.
Barometer: 29.31” S.
Wind: WNW @ 9 – 25 mph (G-32 mph).
Precipitation: S – .6”.

Roads very slushy. Winds have increased significantly.

Posted October 28th at 7:26 PM
Matt(marcy):

So I‘m in marcy and not receiving much snow when will some accumulating happen(soon I hope)

Posted October 28th at 7:26 PM
South utican:

In re: new blog format….I‘d prefer the comments be numbered as before because its easier to keep track

Posted October 28th at 7:28 PM
South utican:

In re: new blog format….I‘d prefer the comments be numbered as before because its easier to keep track

Posted October 28th at 7:28 PM
South utican:

In re: new blog format….I‘d prefer the comments be numbered as before because its easier to keep track

Posted October 28th at 7:29 PM
Brad (Oneonta):

What is left of this in Otsego/Delaware? Seems to be letting up and precip looks like its moving away? ANy thoughts?

Posted October 28th at 7:30 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

Matt: The snowfall rates should start falling off in a few hours. The valley might not get much more than they aready have.

Posted October 28th at 7:30 PM
Laura (Paris Hill):

Well, it‘s still snowing here. Sounds like we night get walloped by morning? New warning for our area. Winds are are gusting 20+ MPH. Why is the north country still green while we are getting blasted??

Posted October 28th at 7:31 PM
Matt Lanza (Utica):

New entry up!

Posted October 28th at 7:31 PM
Becky (West Leyden):

Laura: I have 4 + inches on the ground. Right now the snow is coming down hard.
the storm was closer to you.
Posted October 28th at 7:38 PM
endulseapal:

Hm, wow…

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